Mueller Report

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by slang

Yes, that's the legal procedure. We'll see.

And how can you see without an investigation?

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

FISA found probable cause, or there wouldn't have been an investigation

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

And how can you see without an investigation?

A red herring.

FISA standards are not the same as for criminal cases. Developing information to meet FISA probable cause standards can begin with guilt by association even though that association may turn out to be benign. This allows for the target of a politically motivated investigation to be investigated indirectly, via investigation of FISA qualifying associates, in hopes of uncovering (which hunt) damaging collaterally obtained information about the political target even when the FISA requirements for a direct investigation into that person aren't met.

That's why the investigation was into "Russian Interference" and not Presidential collusion. It enables an indictment of the political target, in the court of public opinion, while providing plausible deniability of political motivation. The true nature of the investigation is revealed; however, when adversaries of the political target set aside the investigation's unactionable findings to pursue their own investigations.

FISA has changed substantially since its inception. It's now the political sword of Damocles.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by sexobon

… (which hunt) ...

(which witch hunt)

Auto-correct didn't know which witch is which in context.

[henry quirk]

don't believe everything you read or hear

"Well that was based on the US House Intelligence that released a couple thousand ads that did actually run."

I get that. What I'm sayin', essentially, is just cuz it comes to you by way of FB don't mean it's true. Yeah, you ought to question any- and every-thing comin' to you from government, but I was talkin' about not takin' at face value all that propaganda/advertising on FB or twitter or wikipedia or, well, from any place (or one).

The 12 year old is still wrappin' his head around the idea that the shiny interesting thing he just saw on tv probably isn't as shiny or fun as the commercial makes it out to be. On one level he gets that someone is tryin' to sell him sumthin', but on another, trusting, level he thinks 'they wouldn't lie/mislead me!'.

I think a lot of folks do this: they wisely get that propaganda exists, but foolishly believe the source they favor isn't a propaganda dump.

Me: it's all mindscrew...my default: you're a lyin' sack till I verfy otherwise. Nuthin' wrong with bein' a lyin' sack, by the way, if you're lyin' ways benefit me.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by sexobon

A red herring.

FISA standards are not the same as for criminal cases. Developing information to meet FISA probable cause standards can begin with guilt by association even though that association may turn out to be benign. This allows for the target of a politically motivated investigation to be investigated indirectly, via investigation of FISA qualifying associates, in hopes of uncovering (which hunt) damaging collaterally obtained information about the political target even when the FISA requirements for a direct investigation into that person aren't met.
...
FISA has changed substantially since its inception. It's now the political sword of Damocles.

It turns out this post was prescient.

According to Glenn Greenwald, the Inspector General's report reveals that the FBI knew its FISA document to spy on Crater Page was bullshit, but strategically hid that, because it wanted to continue spying.

If you like the President, you should be angry right now. If you hate him, you should be furious!

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

If you like the President, you should be angry right now. If you hate him, you should be furious!

For what reason? Because the President does address unscrupulous use of FISA warrants? Or because the President claims the FBI was spying on him?

George Jr's administration authorized significant wiretapping without a FISA warrant. Why is it any worse today?

[Griff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPoli...tm_name=iossmf

Interesting reading here.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

And how can you see without an investigation?

Yes, that's exactly my point. Not another investigation of Trump, a special council to investigate how and when the Mueller independent council was launched.

William Barr, Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump, Devin Nunes and a few million citizens would like some more information on this. You wouldn't deny the American people transparency, would you? Of course this is all crazy talk. We know how the Mueller investigation was launched by the testimony of those involved. They wouldn't lie, would they?

All this is just ridiculous, I know. But with all this investigation going on, what's the harm? Just for giggles? If you've got nothing to hide you have nothing to be concerned with, right?

[henry quirk]

Toad,

Don't know if you're laughin' at my presentation, content, or 'me', but: I'm glad to be the one bringin' joy to such a fine, up-standin' citizen...


Slang,

Exactly right: in light of the various clams made by so many ('the evidence for collusion is obvious'), claims not supported by The Report, seems 'we' need to dig a little into 'why' everyone was so certain Trump was a filthy traitor to Truth, Justice, & The American Way.

Let's investigate the hell out if it!

There's got to be at least two years of mileage we can squeeze outta some thing like that.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Dude111

..Thats been going on years and I doubt it will ever stop....

Great, I'll just rip up my voter reg card and move out of the country.

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Let's investigate the hell out if it!

There's got to be at least two years of mileage we can squeeze outta some thing like that.

Sure, pull everything into an active investigation and silence all those subpena'd by fear of obstruction of justice.