god bless america

Do you have any new pictures to post? I saw all these like... ten days ago.

Also, in the interest of balance, could you do me a favor and post some pictures of Iraqis tortured by Saddam's henchmen?

[bennyhill]

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And you?

[bennyhill]

Originally posted by dave


Like yours have changed any.

Let me rephrase, then. Why are you so obviously against the freedom of an oppressed people?

oppressed people?

how you would call your to this massacre?
Release?

you do nots have libertad...ni of thought.

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3160

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3105

One need not look very far to see that many Iraqis welcome the Army.

I've been reading multiple news sources, and I'm not pro-war by any means. But <b>how can you argue against giving people freedom?</b>

I can't sit here and tell you it's a bad thing, <b>because it's not</b>. Killing and dying and war all are bad things, but freedom is not. I don't see how you can be so vehemently opposed to freedom.

[Rucita]

Please, don't mistake! Say no to U.S. murders doesn't amount to say yes to Saddam's murders! That's enough with that!.

We are not against the freedom of Iraqi (or whatever) opressed people. That's all that we are in the conviction we could have avoided these deaths, we had to look for alternative ways to set that opressed people free.

I read a very interesting Spanish interview to Hans Blix. I would like to translate it to you, but it is so long and my Englis is so bad, and it take a lot of time to me, but if I can I will translate it and post it. Maybe Dave could help me with that...

[jaguar]

*shrugs* I'm not supporting benny really, all i'm saying is i'm sick of seeing UT post page after page of hapy smiling Iraqis and none of this which i think suggests a certain desire to ignore the human cost of the war - some the entire US media seems to be guilty of. It's all very well to say you need to break a few eggs to make an omlette but it's much easier to say when you don't have to live with a lifetime of anguish or look these people in the eye and be reminded just how fucking horrible war actually is, it's not a conincidence that the hawks in this administration have never been soliders and the one big dove, powell is a military man. Noone hates war more than soldier.

Rucita - whereas you demonstrate an ability or willingness to listen to all sides and attempt to form a logical argument, bennyhill has proven that he/she is not willing to do that.

War <b>is</b> a terrible thing. Everyone knows that. What bennyhill and others are trying to do is create extremists. Extremists on any side are dangerous. A moderate voice is necessary.

[Rucita]

Yes Dave, I agree with you: a moderate voice is necessary. All type of extremist is dangerous, that's precisaly why I think war can bring us all much more terrorism. Violence create only more violence, because there will be always someone who wont be persuade about the "goodness", about the right side (if there is some right side) of a war. In my opinion war has been, and it's being an extremist act.

So, for example: Ali is a few years old boy who has lost his father and mother and also his arms in this war. He is laying in a stretcher watching around him and just wondering why. We can just say "well, this is the war" and watch to other side, but we can also think that there are too many posibility for that boy to grow up and became a new suicide terrorist. This is only one exemple. There are a lot of stories like this one in all wars.

Let's see, kurdish are fighting Iraq because a lot of them were killed with mustard gas in 1988. So they are right now paying back. Then what can we wait from iraqi people to do next?

See, that's the problem. "Payback" leads to extremism.

Unfortunately, it's become clear to me over the past few years that the United States is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't.

I don't know what it's like to be Spanish, but there must be some people that will give you a hard time just because of the country you're from. Well, it's the same here, except it's pretty much <b>everyone</b> giving us a hard time. I went to Canada a few years ago to visit a friend and pretty much every Canadian I ran in to except for her and one of her friends had this big thing about me being a "yankee" and "from the States". One of them was bitching about American TV and being tired of seeing a McDonalds on every corner (the funny part being, of course, that he and a friend had stopped our whole crowd so he could get a burger at McDonalds just a night before). So Canadians are tired of their "culture" being "overrun", when we're pretty much the same people with the same tastes.

Then we go to France and they think we're unsophisticated cowboys. Not all of them, obviously, but enough of the ones I've run into. I know many Brits that look down their nose at us. Everyone in Pakistan seems to believe it's a war against Islam.

Everyone wants different things and we can't make all of them happy all the time. Many people were against the war, but when we get to Iraq, what do we see? Villages waving and smiling and <b>giving our soldiers kisses</b>. And then we have some of Saddam's people <b>beating a man because they saw him laughing with a British soldier</b> - and then, and you will agree with me that this is absolutely atrocious - <b>forcing him to watch as they soaked his son with gasoline and set him on fire</b>.

The United States, whether we like it or not, is the most visible country in the world. We're doing something right, because we have thousands of people immigrating here every here and millions more who would kill to. But because we're so visible <b>and because we're so open</b>, we draw constant fire from the peanut gallery.

I really don't think there's anything we can do about it. So we try to do our best and hope that history proves us right.

[jaguar]

War is a terrible thing. Everyone knows that.

Bullshit, i don't think people have the slightest clue, its one reason they react so badly to being shown pictures of it. There is a big difference between 'knowing it' and and watching flacette rip though someone in front of them, or watch one of thier mates have his head blown off, or having their children killed by misguided bombs. It tends to make people squeamish, it tends to make them question their own support of wars and people don't like that happening.

No, they react so badly to seeing pictures of it because <b>WHO WANTS TO SEE PICTURES OF THAT?</b>

Oh sure, it's disgusting when you're eating your brekky, but for the sake of this argument, it's not disgusting, it's that people don't know war is bad. Bullshit yourself.

[bennyhill]

Originally posted by jaguar
*shrugs* I'm not supporting benny really, all i'm saying is i'm sick of seeing UT post page after page of hapy smiling Iraqis and none of this which i think suggests a certain desire to ignore the human cost of the war - some the entire US media seems to be guilty of. It's all very well to say you need to break a few eggs to make an omlette but it's much easier to say when you don't have to live with a lifetime of anguish or look these people in the eye and be reminded just how fucking horrible war actually is, it's not a conincidence that the hawks in this administration have never been soliders and the one big dove, powell is a military man. Noone hates war more than soldier.

Your you consider moderated the behavior of your country?

[jaguar]

Your you consider moderated the behavior of your country?

Huh? Sorry something was lost in the translation there.

Dave the point is the media should be showing this stuff, not happy, smiling newly-liberated Iraqis but pictures of dead, mostly dead and rather pissed off Iraqis too, it's called getting the whole picture. They're *not* very nice images at all, but it is utterly essential people see just how fucking horrible war actually is, not just the CNN/Videogame bullshit that makes it all look so clean and neat.