Tough on Illegal immigration...

[glatt]

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[Perry Winkle]

Originally Posted by glatt

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I accepted Puerto Rico into the Union last night. Merc was my witness.

It hasn't hit CNN yet.

[BigV]

I think he's suggesting that the law be effective in California as well. Which would be great, right, they'd all have to go... where?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

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Point taken.

[Gravdigr]

Classic's pic in post #11 reminded me of what Steve Martin once said (as part of the 'What I Believe' skit) about immigration:

...and I believe we should allow all foreigners into this country, provided they can speak our native language, Apache.

[Lamplighter]

An article in today's New York Times described Hispanic families
leaving a (small) town in Alabama after a judge upheld the State's "immigration law".

It sounded to me as though there was a terrible panic among the Hispanic families
... leaving everything behind, including homes with paid up mortages, pets, possessions,
out of fear of being separated from their children as the State began enforcement of the law.

It occurred to me I did not know what I would do if I were Hispanic and living in Alabama.

Would I send my children to school ?
Could I trust the school officials and the police ?
Would Children's Services take my children away if they did not have their birth certificate ?

More than 200 Hispanic students absent in Huntsville following immigration law ruling
By Crystal Bonvillian, The Huntsville Times
Published: Saturday, October 01, 2011, 6:50 AM

HUNTSVILLE, Alabama --
More than 200 Hispanic students failed to show up for school in Huntsville Thursday,
the day after a federal judge allowed most of Alabama's new immigration enforcement law to take effect.

Under the new law, school officials must inquire about the birth certificates of new students,
but the new law forbids teachers from sharing the identities of students in the country without documentation.

However, Huntsville school officials began to deliver messages in Spanish this week,
telling students to return, and not to fear police who patrol the halls.
<snip>
Huntsville is not the only city in North Alabama reporting an exodus.
<snip>
Dr. Casey Wardynski, Huntsville's superintendent, said that students already enrolled
in the system should not be afraid to return to school. "We are ready to educate these kids,"
he said. "We are held accountable for them."

If students are already enrolled, he says, they simply need to come to school as usual.
Lopez also asks about new students. Wardynski tells him that school officials, as required by the law,
will ask to see a child's birth certificate.
However, Wardynski reminds viewers that the law seeks only to gather statistical information.

While district administrators are required to keep track of the number of undocumented children in their system,
they are not allowed to violate the students' privacy rights by identifying them.
<snip>
According to the law, the state school board's annual report must also analyze the effects
"upon the standard or quality of education provided to students who are citizens"
by the enrollment of "students who are aliens not lawfully present in the United States."

Even with all these assurances, I could not trust the State of Alabama with my kids, and I think the adults Alabama should feel shame in having such a law.

[tw]

Drive out all immigrants. Then the most productive Americans - third generation immigrants, their parents, and their kids - will not exist. Who most hate immigrants? America's least productive people. People with family lines that are too long in America.

Why does Alabama have some of the least educated Americans? Not enough immigrants. And too many people so dumb as to be told how and who to hate.

The most productive states educate kids of all immigrants. After all, the best education system trains the most productive people in America. Immigrants and their legacies.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by tw

Drive out all immigrants. Then the most productive Americans - third generation immigrants, their parents, and their kids - will not exist. Who most hate immigrants? America's least productive people. People with family lines that are too long in America.

Why does Alabama have some of the least educated Americans? Not enough immigrants. And too many people so dumb as to be told how and who to hate.

The most productive states educate kids of all immigrants. After all, the best education system trains the most productive people in America. Immigrants and their legacies.

I half-disagree.

Illegal immigrants are great. They're a pool of cheap flexible labour that can't stand up for rights or negotiate with any strength, and their presence drives down the wages of the legal poor.

A lot of US citizens benefit a lot from illegals, which is why the efforts to be rid of them are so half-hearted. But goodness, you don't want them educated. So long as they can start the mower and maybe drive the truck, that's all they need. If they got education, they might start getting uppity, forget their place.

Remember, it used to be a criminal offence to teach a black person to read.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

snip--

Remember, it used to be a criminal offence to teach a black person to read.

Fucking buzzkill of the day.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Even with all these assurances, I could not trust the State of Alabama with my kids, and I think the adults Alabama should feel shame in having such a law.

Alabama has no shame. I have family in Huntsville, and I when I visited there, I was stunned by their racist attitude and the segregation that still remains informally in effect.

I wouldn't trust an Alabama school system or, for that matter, any Alabama government entity as far as I could throw it.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SamIam

I wouldn't trust an Alabama school system or, for that matter, any Alabama government entity as far as I could throw it.

Not to worry, they trust you even less....

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by BigV

Fucking buzzkill of the day.

Maybe if you focus on the "used to be" part...

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Unless it means your illegal immigrant maid.

"It is an admittedly clumsy first attempt to say,
'We are really focusing on the big businesses,'" English said.
Texans shouldn't be punished for hiring lawn care companies who hire unauthorized immigrants,
he said, according to the Texas Tribune's website.

Bold mine.

[Lamplighter]

US asks appeals court to halt Ala. immigration law
By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press

ATLANTA (AP) — The federal government asked an appeals court Friday to stop
Alabama officials from enforcing a strict immigration measure that has already driven
Hispanic students from public schools and migrant workers from towns,
warning that it opens the door to discrimination against even legal residents.

The Department of Justice's filing to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also said the law,
considered by many to be the most stringent immigration rules in the country,
could cause considerable fallout as immigrants flee to other states or their native countries.

In the meantime, Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley said he intends to continue enforcing the contentious law,
which allows(*) authorities to detain people suspected of being in the country illegally
and lets(*) officials check the immigration status of students in public schools.
<snip>
"Other states and their citizens are poorly served by the Alabama policy,
which seeks to drive aliens from Alabama rather than achieve cooperation
with the federal government to resolve a national problem," the filing said.

* Is the verb: "allows" / "lets" or "requires"

[Lamplighter]

LA Times
October 14, 2011*|* 1:07 pm

Court blocks parts of Alabama immigration law, upholds others

A federal appeals court Friday temporarily blocked portions of Alabama's strict immigration law,
most notably a provision requiring public schools to check the immigration status of students.

But the court also upheld a provision requiring police to check the residency status
of suspected illegal immigrants during traffic stops.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued the order after the Justice Department
requested that the court block the law until*the court*could consider it fully.
Government lawyers contended, as they have in challenges of similar laws in other states,
that the legislation was preempted by federal immigration laws.