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Old 05-03-2019, 10:10 AM   #76
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I wasn't aware a date had been set...
It will not be in the Senate. With extremists trying to wreck shit, nobody knows whether a projected date will remain valid in two weeks.

We cannot even admit this president has more respect and admiration for America's adversaries than he does for America's longest time and closest allies. If Richard Nixon can have a Saturday Night Massacre and things were never this contentious, then who knows what will happen next?

The French President recently said Europe needs its own unified military force. He then listed potential adversaries. United States was listed. That is how bad things have become in Washington due to a shortage of moderates in government.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:16 AM   #77
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This whole thing is a Chinese finger trap for anti-Trumpers. The harder they work against the trap, the most trapped they are by the trap itself. They get angry and work harder.

It remains a troll Presidency and nobody understands how to fight that. You don't fight trolls by attempting to out-troll them! That is always an utter failure. You fight trolls by ignoring them. You send them to Coventry.

The first mistake is getting angry at the troll. The second mistake is getting angry at the people with you.

"We're stuck in the mud!"
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"SO PUT IT IN REVERSE AND FLOOR IT!"
"Now everything is covered in mud and we're still stuck!"
"THAT'S YOUR FAULT!"
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:52 AM   #78
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"It will not be in the Senate."

So '15 May' is for House testimony?

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"a troll Presidency"

yes: exactly
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:58 AM   #79
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So many threats, accusations, and speculation. All of this will be settled on 15 May when Mueller testifies before Congress. That should give talk show host, liars, and wild speculators enough time to commit to their opinions. Then we can deal with what he really says.
Yes, wouldn't it be interesting if IG Horowitz's report came out just before Mueller's testimony? That report that exposes the witch hunt.

You know, the IG report that details all the corruption in the FBI in the lead up to the Mueller probe that was triggered by a fabrication ( Steele dossier).

That would be priceless, ol' Mueller get's his thoughts and papers together on how he's going to put the screws to Barr and Trump but then, uh-oh...reversal.

Yes, it's just fantasy but Trump's people are getting much better at playing the media game and that is where the opposition has the upper hand. No evidence, mostly media spin. Video clips of Democrats scolding imaginary people in empty chairs.

Trump might even declass and release all the source documents that prove the weaponization. Wow, that'd be funny.

Or maybe they'll just arrest Barr and Trump(s). Any way you watch it, things are getting good.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:40 PM   #80
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No thank you, I won't be playing.
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Oh yes you will; or, we'll hold you in contempt of The Cellar.

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It remains a troll Presidency and nobody understands how to fight that.
It only took like 2 years for UT to get this through my thick head.
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Old 05-03-2019, 02:58 PM   #81
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I'm sure that there's going to be some counter moves on this because it's a pretty serious situation, but Barr should be arrested before all this comes to it's conclusion.

It could have some unpleasant effects on those directly or indirectly involved with this witch hunt / soft coup.

"Depending on what Barr finds, his review of the Russia probe could give Trump ammunition to defend himself in continuing congressional inquiries -- and in a potential impeachment for obstructing justice. Barr told senators that Trumpís actions canít be seen as obstruction if he was exercising his constitutional authority as president to put an end to an >>>>>> illegitimate <<<<<< investigation."

It's getting good. Not as good as life would have been without all this sedition but still good.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:53 PM   #82
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Ö It remains a troll Presidency and nobody understands how to fight that. Ö
Resistance is futile. They will be assimilated.
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Old 05-07-2019, 02:21 AM   #83
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The Incredible True Story of the Impeachment Collar Heist

An older aged lawyer and deep state operative named Robert Mueller walked into the US Department of Justice in DC.

He had a multi ream size report in his right hand and a strange bulge under the collar of his shirt. Mueller, 74 and greying, passed Attorney General William Barr a note;

"Here is my report. Part 1 is what I discovered in the first 2 months of my investigation, no evidence of collusion or obstruction. No indictments. Part 2 is what we are hoping to impeach Trump with. Speculation and embarrassingly biased investigatory work with biased personnel that could never be assembled without recusal if they were investigating a Democrat. Systematically omitting critical information that does not support the narrative that Trumpís guilty" it said. "We were hoping to keep working on it until November 2020 to keep a cloud over Trumpís presidency. But then you were confirmed." Then he lifted his shirt to reveal a heavy, boxlike device dangling from his neck.

According to the note, it was an impeachment collar. Barr, who told Mueller there was no way he was going to get his 18 pages into the media at that time, filled a few pages with truthó8,702ó words and handed it over. Mueller walked out, sucking on a Dum Dum lollipop he grabbed from the counter, hopped into his car, and drove off. He didn't get far. Some 15 minutes later, Christopher Wray spotted Mueller standing outside his Geo Metro in a nearby parking lot, surrounded him, and tossed him to the pavement, cuffing his hands behind his back.

Mueller told the agents that while out on a Uranium One sample delivery he had been accosted by a group of CIA operatives who chained the impeachment collar around his neck at gunpoint and forced him to write his bogus report. "You either take Trump out with a report or the impeachment collar will take YOU out." they told him in a poorly performed Comey voice. "I'm not lying" The agents called Inspector General Horowitz and took positions behind their cars, guns drawn. CNN's Jim Acosta arrived and began filming. For 25 minutes Mueller remained positioned on the pavement.
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Old 12-13-2019, 05:10 PM   #84
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A red herring.

FISA standards are not the same as for criminal cases. Developing information to meet FISA probable cause standards can begin with guilt by association even though that association may turn out to be benign. This allows for the target of a politically motivated investigation to be investigated indirectly, via investigation of FISA qualifying associates, in hopes of uncovering (which hunt) damaging collaterally obtained information about the political target even when the FISA requirements for a direct investigation into that person aren't met.
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FISA has changed substantially since its inception. It's now the political sword of Damocles.
It turns out this post was prescient.

According to Glenn Greenwald, the Inspector General's report reveals that the FBI knew its FISA document to spy on Crater Page was bullshit, but strategically hid that, because it wanted to continue spying.

If you like the President, you should be angry right now. If you hate him, you should be furious!
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Old 12-13-2019, 05:49 PM   #85
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If you like the President, you should be angry right now. If you hate him, you should be furious!
For what reason? Because the President does address unscrupulous use of FISA warrants? Or because the President claims the FBI was spying on him?

George Jr's administration authorized significant wiretapping without a FISA warrant. Why is it any worse today?
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:05 PM   #86
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https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPoli...tm_name=iossmf

Interesting reading here.
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