Atheism = No Spiritual Dimensions To Reality? - Page 4

DanaC · 12-22-2008, 02:41 AM

The God of the Gaps.

Ruminator · 12-22-2008, 02:44 AM

Phage, really guy, lighten up a bit.

I purposely didn't post what details might be found to exist because at this point anyone's opinion is as good as any other. Sheesh.

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The God of the Gaps.

No Dana, I posited no gods did I? This is just in line with the basic concept of a spiritual realm that we've been discussing.

DanaC · 12-22-2008, 02:46 AM

I didn't think Phage's response was out of keeping with the tone of the discussion.

Ruminator · 12-22-2008, 02:50 AM

Look at what Phage posted as my quote and what he derived from it.

For the purpose of discussion I was intentionally keeping the concept neutral of any specific perspective.

I'm hitting the hay now, talk to you later.

DanaC · 12-22-2008, 02:55 AM

Well, he perhaps phrased it harshly, but I don't think it was out of keeping with the thread at all.

Now, go sleep man! *smiles*

HungLikeJesus · 12-22-2008, 11:31 AM

As soon as I learned there was no Santa I knew that there could be no god, for what is a god but a Santa without limits?

Pico and ME · 12-22-2008, 12:31 PM

Really, when I was in first grade, I learned in one swell swoop that there wasn't an Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. Must have been the beginning of me wondering what else are they were lying about.

Ruminator · 12-23-2008, 01:24 AM

I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear.
We got sidetracked before from my thought and intent.

The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm.

This thought goes back to the early part of this thread where that was being discussed.

Phage0070 · 12-23-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruminator

I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear.
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The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm.

I will rephrase my reply to see if I can make it more clear.

The presence of "the unknown" gives possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm. The discovery of a minimum of eleven dimensions neither adds or subtracts from those possibilities.

As a general rule, the likelihood of a given theory being proven correct increases when evidence is found in its favor, not just when more evidence in general is found.

Pie · 12-23-2008, 08:39 AM

Phage, I like your statement.

From my point of view, I'd extend your description of the The "unknown" -- it also includes mass-less frictionless pink elephants that run the whole show, or the FSM, or any old gobbledy-gook man cares to invent this week.

Without evidence to support it, all explanations are equally implausible. That includes any "spiritual realm".

(Incidentally, this is why string theory gets such a bad rap from most physicists -- lack of testability. Whatinhell is the point of a theory that can't be tested, or held up to direct observation?!?)

Phage0070 · 12-23-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie

... Whatinhell is the point of a theory that can't be tested, or held up to direct observation?!?)

Research grants or "tithes".

Pie · 12-23-2008, 09:19 AM

Ibby · 12-23-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruminator

I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear.
We got sidetracked before from my thought and intent.

The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm.

This thought goes back to the early part of this thread where that was being discussed.

No astrophysicist said there are eleven dimensions. What the guy you quoted said was, if there's a god, there would be like, eleven dimensions or something to contain that. ...somehow.

piercehawkeye45 · 12-23-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

No astrophysicist said there are eleven dimensions. What the guy you quoted said was, if there's a god, there would be like, eleven dimensions or something to contain that. ...somehow.

M-theory predicts 11 dimensions.

classicman · 12-23-2008, 12:08 PM

Do I hear 12 . . . anyone? anyone? May I have 12?
11 going once . . . 11 going twice . . .
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12-22-2008, 02:50 AM	#49
Ruminator Ohio fisherman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 117	Look at what Phage posted as my quote and what he derived from it. For the purpose of discussion I was intentionally keeping the concept neutral of any specific perspective. I'm hitting the hay now, talk to you later. __________________ ~ Perception is vital, reality is irrelevant... or is it? ~ "People never give each other enough credit for their contributions." ... a truer statement was never made. - contributed by TheMercenary

12-22-2008, 11:31 AM	#51
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12-23-2008, 01:24 AM	#53
Ruminator Ohio fisherman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 117	I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear. We got sidetracked before from my thought and intent. The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm. This thought goes back to the early part of this thread where that was being discussed. __________________ ~ Perception is vital, reality is irrelevant... or is it? ~ "People never give each other enough credit for their contributions." ... a truer statement was never made. - contributed by TheMercenary

12-23-2008, 08:39 AM	#55
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Phage, I like your statement. From my point of view, I'd extend your description of the The "unknown" -- it also includes mass-less frictionless pink elephants that run the whole show, or the FSM, or any old gobbledy-gook man cares to invent this week. Without evidence to support it, all explanations are equally implausible. That includes any "spiritual realm". (Incidentally, this is why string theory gets such a bad rap from most physicists -- lack of testability. Whatinhell is the point of a theory that can't be tested, or held up to direct observation?!?) __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

12-23-2008, 09:19 AM	#57
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	__________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

12-22-2008, 02:41 AM	#46
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The God of the Gaps.

12-22-2008, 02:46 AM	#48
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I didn't think Phage's response was out of keeping with the tone of the discussion.

12-22-2008, 02:55 AM	#50
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Well, he perhaps phrased it harshly, but I don't think it was out of keeping with the thread at all. Now, go sleep man! smiles

12-22-2008, 12:31 PM	#52
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Really, when I was in first grade, I learned in one swell swoop that there wasn't an Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. Must have been the beginning of me wondering what else are they were lying about.

12-23-2008, 12:08 PM	#60
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Do I hear 12 . . . anyone? anyone? May I have 12? 11 going once . . . 11 going twice . . . . . . . . __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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