Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon

[smoothmoniker]

Mari, I don't know how you manage to wrap up every group you dislike into the nefarious "Religious Right". As far as I know, they don't have much of a position on illegal immigration.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Not all Islamic people are so narrow minded. And yet you would punish all for sins of the naive?

Most of us only know/see the ones in the news, like the ones in the pictures in this thread. That's because the ones who don't approve or agree with the protesters are very silent. That dosen't leave us anyone to point at other than the bad guys. There isn't two groups standing up so we can say, ok, these are good muslims and those are bad ones. We'd have to make the assumption that the non-protesters don't agree with the protesters, and we know that's not necessarily true.

The sales of that Danish dairy went from several hundred million dollars a year to zero in five days. I'd bet it was a matter of peer pressure, maybe even thugs at the market, that caused that rapid decline. But how do we prove that? How do we prove any muslims don't agree with the protest when they are very silent?

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush. First, some of those comics are really lame. They deserve 'censure' by art critics.

As I understand it, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, the "cartoons" were a smartass reply to the guy at the newspaper that decried the lack of response to his request for someone(s) to illustrate his book.
I don't believe they were meant to be cartoons, like we know them, neither funny, political or otherwise. But I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

Mari, I don't know how you manage to wrap up every group you dislike into the nefarious "Religious Right". As far as I know, they don't have much of a position on illegal immigration.

Actually, they do. Folks from south of the border are hopelessly entangled with that nasty Papist religion of theirs. See the cite I gave in my response to the "Opera is scarey for kids" thread.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

All I can say at this point is that the only defense available to the Western World against the unbridled rage fueling the Islamic furnace of hate is to starve them economically.

Why do you think these people are currently in an uproar over a handful of editorial cartoons?

Paris didn't erupt into riots because a couple of teenagers died during a police chase just as the Los Angeles riots weren't about a man being beaten by police officers. The events that touched off these waves of violence are nothing but breaking points and so I say there is a lot more to this than some foolish drawings. Social standing, economics, quality of life, and pressure from political forces are behind this. Want to piss them off even more, drive them to more suicide bombers? Try doing exactly what has enraged these people for many decades: starve them economically and restrict their trade.

Just my guess.

[busterb]

Why "ya'll" pickin on my redneck?
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[WabUfvot5]

Tried to do my part and get Jarlsberg cheese at the store. There was none. So either:
1. They pulled it because Arabs who I've never seen in the store complained
2. There was a groundswell of support for Norge
3. It was on sale for a week and they sold out

I'm gonna go with option three myself.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by tw

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush.

Point taken.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What is that, Buster?

[fargon]

These animals have done it again. They burned the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Syria over that cartoon. According to WIZM 1410 AM, this short blurb came from CBS News. I just checked CNN.com, just doing some fact checking. I hope that the PC crowd can finaly get that we are not dealing with sane and responsible people, but savages.

I am waiting for them to blow up a church or school over here. I have friends (Cops and Firefighters) that say if that happens they will stand by and let the citizens take out vengence on the animals.

I believe that we should round these assholes up and send them back to their country of origin. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

As far as oil we have plenty of sources rite here we can bring our people home and let them kill each other if thats what they want to do.

[fargon]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Why do you think these people are currently in an uproar over a handful of editorial cartoons?

Paris didn't erupt into riots because a couple of teenagers died during a police chase just as the Los Angeles riots weren't about a man being beaten by police officers. The events that touched off these waves of violence are nothing but breaking points and so I say there is a lot more to this than some foolish drawings. Social standing, economics, quality of life, and pressure from political forces are behind this. Want to piss them off even more, drive them to more suicide bombers? Try doing exactly what has enraged these people for many decades: starve them economically and restrict their trade.

Just my guess.

Maybe what we need to do is restrict their trade and starve them economically. When these people started showing up, we embraced them and welcomed them into our country, and even gave their children priority admission to our colleges and universities. How did they repay our kindness? By telling us that we are stupid and beneath their contempt.

My sister Widget, had a b/f from the UAE who ran up a $1400 phone bill calling his friends back home. When she asked him to pay his bill he beat her up and slashed the tires on her car. I had to pay the phone bill, and replace her tires. I went to collect money from this turd. When he saw me he called the cops. The cop that showed up told me to go home (CGC Point Hobart) and don't come back. This piece of shit had some kind of diplomatic immunity and was untouchable.

I decided at that time these people were shit. From that minute on, I have tried to avoid contact with them. In the mid 80s they started taking over the taxi business in SoCal, and used terror tactics to try and put me out of business. These aren't isolated incidents. In my experience, this is the typical behaviour of these people.

As far as I'm concerned, round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by fargon

Maybe what we need to do is restrict their trade and starve them economically. When these people started showing up, we embraced them and welcomed them into our country, and even gave their children priority admission to our colleges and universities. How did they repay our kindness? By telling us that we are stupid and beneath their contempt.

My point, again, is that none of the Muslims in the US are protesting, none of them are rioting, none of them even seem to be upset about this. The people that are using these cartoons as an excuse are from several select countries that I think can easily be defined as "having issues" (economics, social standing, oppressive government, etc).

Originally Posted by fargon

My sister Widget, had a b/f from the UAE who ran up a $1400 phone bill calling his friends back home. When she asked him to pay his bill he beat her up and slashed the tires on her car. I had to pay the phone bill, and replace her tires.

You could have replaced 'UAE' with 'Australia', 'Brazil', or even 'Boston' and the story would have been just as plausible. One person should not allow you to draw a summary for all.

Originally Posted by fargon

I decided at that time these people were shit. From that minute on, I have tried to avoid contact with them. In the mid 80s they started taking over the taxi business in SoCal, and used terror tactics to try and put me out of business. These aren't isolated incidents. In my experience, this is the typical behaviour of these people.

I don't know about the taxi issues, but it sounds like you've had some bad, personal experiences with "these people". (Terror tactics? Did they blow up your car?) I don't know. I keep drifting time and time again to lumping all of the Muslim world into a group of people that I want to place a bad label on, but I have this awful feeling that our culture was in desperate need of a new boogeyman and that we're falling into the trap of media availability. I've never had a problem with a Muslim, never had any issues with someone practicing Islam. My old boss was a devout follower and he was a nice guy, a lot of my classmates are Muslim and they're no different than the other students. Studying with them never ended with me feeling hostile towards them, or even feeling remotely upset. My experience conflicts directly with what I hear spewing out of the television, so I take issue with it. Maybe I'm just lucky.

As far as I'm concerned, round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert.[/quote]

Great idea.

I once had the great idea of actually reading up on what Islam was all about and coming to a conclusion on just how I should view these people and their place in the world. ...and then I remember reading the bible and knowing that if I applied those values to all Christians, I'd probably want to kick every single one of them out of our country, too. But, hey, I've met some decent Christians in my life, so I'd feel a bit bad about that.

[tw]

Originally Posted by fargon

As far as I'm concerned, round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert.

Originally Posted by tw

Take apart this controversy with a scalpel rather than painting all with a broad brush.

But you would paint 'them' with a broad brush. Reasons provided and the logic used to obtain those conclusions are exactly what created 1960s racism - complete with hate.

Your story is nothing more than an incident. So now you blame one million others for that incident? Only using Rush Limbaugh reasoning could one conclude "round'em up and ship'em home. Let them grow food in the desert."

Based upon your story, then you should conclude that "we round up all diplomats and throw them in the ocean. Let them swim home." Then a conclusion would be more consistent with your sister's story.

This nation is very dependent on those other 999,999 immigrants because so many Americans are too lazy to become sufficiently educated. I often wonder who we really should be 'sending back'.

Meanwhile Kitsune asks questions that every 'responsible American' should have asked:

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Why do you think these people are currently in an uproar over a handful of editorial cartoons?

It is what good people do. First learn their perspective. Not the perspective of one alleged asshole. The other 999,999 perspectives.

[wolf]

This is the difference between our Christian Right, who Glorify God, and the Islamic Extremists, who fight for (their conception of) the Glory of God.

[fargon]

The incedent with my cab co. they (these peaceful and giving muslems) in one nite smashed 3 windshields, burned 1 car, and beat up one of my drivers. After calling the Sherrif I was told that if there was one more complaint he would shut me down. The next tactic was to call my Mothers house and threatend to burn her house or kidnap one of my sisters. Mom took the tapes to the Sheriff , and was told there was nothing they could do untill a crime was commited. As a result I sold out and moved to a place in Texas where people named Mohammed had best not stop.

I am a very open minded person, I have friends from every race and color. My mom married an African-American and he was as much a Dad as my biological Father.


I have never seen a group of people so all consumed with hate and disdain for the rights of others as the followers of Islam. After the events of 9/11/01 we need to do every thing we can to protect ourselfs.

I told my nephews when they joined the Marines (my familys business) to never trust or turn their back on them my oldest nephew told me that in Afganistan you only trust the children because they have not learned how to hate.

[jaguar]

Clockwise: "This one is racist", "this one is anti-Semitic", "and this one (bottom) falls under freedom of speech"

Just some fuel for the fire.