Abortion Debate - Page 7

wolf · 01-11-2005, 07:40 PM

In other news, the VA Miscarriage Bill has been pulled.

Griff · 01-11-2005, 07:57 PM

“I’ve never been blogged before,” he said. “The tone of the e-mails has been disgusting. It’s, 'You’re a horrible person. You ought to be crucified.’ And those were the nice ones.”

Maybe you were never this big an a-hole before?

Cosgrove said his bill was intended to add more teeth to laws penalizing women who abandon full-term infants after birth.

It reads: “When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman’s responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery.” Women who failed to report the death could have been convicted of a Class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

[sarcasm]I'm sure most women who lose a baby immediately think, "Gee I'd better report myself to the police cuz I must be a criminal."[/sarcasm]

xoxoxoBruce · 01-11-2005, 08:26 PM

Well then, we took care of that. How about this AP story from Boston.com.

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KIEV, Ukraine -- Ukraine's youngest ever mother on record, an 11-year-old girl, has given birth to a healthy baby boy weighing 3.8 kilograms (8.4 pounds), a newspaper reported Thursday.
Surgeons at hospital No. 5 in the eastern city of Kharkiv delivered the infant by Caesarean section on Tuesday, the Fakty daily said, citing the unidentified mother's doctor, Valentyn Gryshchenko.
Both mother and son are in good health, but will remain in the hospital under observation for a week.
The family of the sixth-grader refused to stop the pregnancy and "put everything in the hands of fate," Gryshchenko was quoted as saying.
The boy is expected to live at home with his mother and grandmother.
The newborn's alleged father is a 26-year-old neighbor who fled fearing criminal charges when he learned of the girl's pregnancy, Fakty said. If convicted of having sexual relations with a minor, the father faces a maximum prison sentence of three years.

THREE YEARS!?!?!? WTF.

richlevy · 01-12-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Well then, we took care of that. How about this AP story from Boston.com.

THREE YEARS!?!?!? WTF.

It's his fault for not waiting until she was twelve.

BTW, legally, you can get married at age 12 in Kansas, Massachusetts, and some other states without specific minimum ages. When Jerry Lee Lewis was 19 he married his 13 year old cousin.

I'm not going to comment until I know more about the customs of that part of the world. Personally, if the family insists on keeping the baby, and they want it to have a father, I think a special

wedding ceremony should be planned and the groom given a choice between supporting his child and an indefinite stay in whatever gulag is still running up there.

Happy Monkey · 02-08-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

In other news, the VA Miscarriage Bill has been pulled.

And popped back up in a watered-down form in Texas (Enter HR702). Happily, this version doesn't put the onus on the woman, but it does require the doctor to submit patient records to the government, even information on miscarriages the woman suffered prior to her visit to the doctor.

OnyxCougar · 01-12-2005, 09:58 AM

[bad accent]It's Russia. Vat do you expect?[/bad accent]

jinx · 01-12-2005, 10:08 AM

Yushchenko won, it's Ukraine not Russia.

OnyxCougar · 01-12-2005, 10:10 AM

My bad.

Undertoad · 02-08-2005, 11:15 AM

The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

elf · 02-08-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

Truth.

Now, just make it as easy to get (and as accepted) as Tylenol, we're good.

Progress is being made... we'll get there.

jinx · 02-08-2005, 12:09 PM

Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion.

elf · 02-08-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion.

Doesn't <i>living</i> generally give you cancer after a few years. . . ? I don't know the statistics on it, but I personally feel it's less traumatic on your body than an abortion.

I may do the Norplant (or Depo) thing soonish. I'll let you know if I start sprouting toumors and stuff. More than likely, the worst side effect will be that it'll make me moody.

jinx · 02-08-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elf

Doesn't living generally give you cancer after a few years. . . ? I don't know the statistics on it, but I personally feel it's less traumatic on your body than an abortion.

Go for it elf, if you're ok with it - just don't assume everyone is.
I don't agree that just living gives you cancer, and I'm not one who would rather "enjoy" life by trashing my body. I enjoy my life becuase my body is healthy. I hope to keep it that way as long as possible.

Undertoad · 02-08-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion.

Yes it does. If a woman doesn't give birth she has a higher incidence of cancer.

OnyxCougar · 02-08-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

Negative. Got pregnant with the second child on Norplant.

01-11-2005, 07:40 PM	#1
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01-11-2005, 07:57 PM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	“I’ve never been blogged before,” he said. “The tone of the e-mails has been disgusting. It’s, 'You’re a horrible person. You ought to be crucified.’ And those were the nice ones.” Maybe you were never this big an a-hole before? Cosgrove said his bill was intended to add more teeth to laws penalizing women who abandon full-term infants after birth. It reads: “When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman’s responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery.” Women who failed to report the death could have been convicted of a Class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. [sarcasm]I'm sure most women who lose a baby immediately think, "Gee I'd better report myself to the police cuz I must be a criminal."[/sarcasm] __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-12-2005, 09:58 AM	#6
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	[bad accent]It's Russia. Vat do you expect?[/bad accent] __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

01-12-2005, 10:08 AM	#7
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yushchenko won, it's Ukraine not Russia. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

01-12-2005, 10:10 AM	#8
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	My bad. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

02-08-2005, 11:15 AM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

02-08-2005, 12:09 PM	#11
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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