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Happy Monkey · 05-10-2012, 01:12 PM

No idea. I just don't think that anything will get broken down into useful information.

morethanpretty · 05-10-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Mark my words, MTP...
When things are broken down into useful information, this isn't going to be a close election at all.

What is the point of your opinion when its not based on any evidence whatsoever? You're not adding to the conversation by spouting off the completely wild guesses that you have about this election.

Clodfobble · 05-10-2012, 02:42 PM

This chart pretty much says it all. In the near future gay marriage is going to simply cease to be an issue, just like interracial marriage.

glatt · 05-10-2012, 02:48 PM

Which is why the red line folks are frantically trying to change constitutions, so it will be all that more difficult for the people of the future to have what they want.

DanaC · 05-10-2012, 03:07 PM

And they'd have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those crazy kids...

wait...no.

Rhianne · 05-10-2012, 03:11 PM

About 25 years are shown. Are people changing their views or just dying?

glatt · 05-10-2012, 03:22 PM

What event happened in 2004 to cause the sudden increase in polling?

infinite monkey · 05-10-2012, 03:53 PM

Well, glatt, a few things happened:

The New England Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII.

The Pittsburgh Penguins lost their 12th consecutive home game, a NHL record.

The Republic of Ireland became the first country in the world to ban smoking in all work places, including bars and restaurants.

Dick Cheney and George W. Bush testified before the 9/11 Commission in a closed, unrecorded hearing in the Oval Office.

In New York, capital punishment was declared unconstitutional.

Fidel Castro announced that transactions using the American Dollar will be banned by November 8.

But I don't think most of those are related.

Ibby · 05-10-2012, 04:04 PM

Same-sex marriage in the U.S. state of Massachusetts began on May 17, 2004, as a result of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts ruling in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health that it was unconstitutional under the Massachusetts constitution to allow only heterosexual couples to marry.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-10-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhianne

About 25 years are shown. Are people changing their views or just dying?

Both.

tw · 05-10-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

But I don't think most of those are related.

What was happening then? Hate was especially popular. Hate of evil Muslims. Hate of the axis of evil. Hate of as quantum physics. Hate of financial regulations. Hate of hybrids and other fundamental innovations. Hate of anyone opposed to a new cold war in anti-missile deployments and other wasteful military spending projects. Hate of N Korea. Hate of the Germans, French and French Fries. Hate of anyone who was not conservative enough. Hate of stem cell research. Hate of anyone promoting nutritional foods. Hate of anyone who reported honestly (ie Peter Jennings, Ted Koppel) about an obvious quagmire in Mission Accomplished. Hate of research into environmental science. Hate of soldiers on swift boats who earned Bronze and Silver Stars. Hate of the UN. Hate of fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets (even Mission Accomplished was never in the budget). Hate of the middle class by increasing welfare to the rich. Hate of anyone who said it was ‘their’ oil. Hate of anyone who properly identified the lies about Al Qaeda in Iraq; an insurgency created by no phase four planning. Hate of Colin Powell who was obviously too moderate.

Hate empowers and increases compliance among those who are least educated; who automatically believe the first thing they are told. Hate was how Senator Joseph McCarthy got popular among those same types. Hate in the name of extremism was no vice ... in 2004.

Hate and lies were strongly hyped in 2004 to get George Jr reelected.

infinite monkey · 05-10-2012, 06:45 PM

And see? I mentioned george jr in my list. I know!

But you completely forgot about the hate of smokers. (See list, entry 3)

classicman · 05-10-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

What is the point of your opinion when its not based on any evidence whatsoever? You're not adding to the conversation by spouting off the completely wild guesses that you have about this election.

I'm talking about experience and reality. Do a little research on your own instead of bitching at me. Don't like what I write? Don't read or respond.
Polls at this point in the cycle are less than meaningless.

classicman · 05-10-2012, 11:33 PM

Oh fuggit, I'll play along with you MTP - Here take a look for yourself at some numbers.

If that qualifies as "any evidence whatsoever" that is.

Ibby · 05-10-2012, 11:41 PM

I would call that, classic, close enough to worry about. I think Obama is very likely to win, but to go as far as feeling like it's a sure thing - its still way close enough that if enough left-leaners feel like it's a shoo-in, it could drive down turnout enough to let Romney eke out a win. Granted, yes, it's far out enough now that polling is less-than-perfect, but... I think Romney's gonna give him a run for his money, so to speak.
I get the impression that, though I look at you and see a (relative) conservative, or at least right-leaning independent, that you support Obama over Romney (which to me makes sense, because i look at OBAMA and see a moderate-conservative, compared to, like, mainstream liberals like Elizabeth Warren or my idol Bernie Sanders). If Obama has your vote, I'd hate to see him lose it because you or anyone else thinks he's sure to win and therefore not worth getting out there on voting day for.

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05-10-2012, 11:41 PM	#30
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I would call that, classic, close enough to worry about. I think Obama is very likely to win, but to go as far as feeling like it's a sure thing - its still way close enough that if enough left-leaners feel like it's a shoo-in, it could drive down turnout enough to let Romney eke out a win. Granted, yes, it's far out enough now that polling is less-than-perfect, but... I think Romney's gonna give him a run for his money, so to speak. I get the impression that, though I look at you and see a (relative) conservative, or at least right-leaning independent, that you support Obama over Romney (which to me makes sense, because i look at OBAMA and see a moderate-conservative, compared to, like, mainstream liberals like Elizabeth Warren or my idol Bernie Sanders). If Obama has your vote, I'd hate to see him lose it because you or anyone else thinks he's sure to win and therefore not worth getting out there on voting day for. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

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glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Which is why the red line folks are frantically trying to change constitutions, so it will be all that more difficult for the people of the future to have what they want.

05-10-2012, 03:11 PM	#21
Rhianne Nearly done. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Teetering on the edge. Posts: 1,134	About 25 years are shown. Are people changing their views or just dying?

05-10-2012, 03:22 PM	#22
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	What event happened in 2004 to cause the sudden increase in polling?

05-10-2012, 03:53 PM	#23
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Well, glatt, a few things happened: The New England Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVIII. The Pittsburgh Penguins lost their 12th consecutive home game, a NHL record. The Republic of Ireland became the first country in the world to ban smoking in all work places, including bars and restaurants. Dick Cheney and George W. Bush testified before the 9/11 Commission in a closed, unrecorded hearing in the Oval Office. In New York, capital punishment was declared unconstitutional. Fidel Castro announced that transactions using the American Dollar will be banned by November 8. But I don't think most of those are related.

05-10-2012, 06:45 PM	#27
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	And see? I mentioned george jr in my list. I know! But you completely forgot about the hate of smokers. (See list, entry 3)

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