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The Soviet Union was NOT communist. It was a totalitarian state that said it practiced communism while basically practicing state capitalism.
The best example of what communism is meant to be would what Venezuela is striving for by switching from Social Democracy to Democratic Socialism but it is still far from the communist idea. Quote:
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I disagree with your comment about no free thinking being involved. My (four) kids have had an enormous amount of opportunity and time to discuss and argue in class, and many teachers and students are very pro-socialist. The theories may not be developed at an advanced level (although they will be in whatever colleges the kids attend) but they are well covered. And I think it appropriate that capitalism and democracy are given time; our society and economy are based on them, after all. It's not indoctrination to teach the basis of our system. But the kids definitely do get to discuss and think for themselves. I haven't encountered a whole lot of conservative, capitalist teachers in the dozen places we've lived. Socialist thought is well presented.
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Personally, I do not think true communist like state can exist from a revolution since the way of living is directly contradicting the nature of how we were raised. A version of social democracy is needed to make a smooth conversion and that might not even be enough. To be successful in a leftist economy, you need to be raised in a leftist philosophy or it will fail. Quote:
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Ask a nobleman a few hundred years ago if the populace was up to ruling themselves, I bet he would have said something like "Oh, they can't be trusted to rule them selves, they can't ignore their simple nature." Socialism is just one more step in human evolution, if you ask me. Also, ask yourself how much of the distaste you have for communism comes from it being the west's 'enemy' for so long...
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Approximately 160,000,000 people were murdered by Communist governments in the 20th century.
That's a lot of distaste. And a lot of people to overlook in a thread about the definition of morality. |
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Communism? American Indians.
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How many did the pseudo-democracies kill?
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Wanna go back through all time? Didn't a government calling itself democratic kill, um, Jesus? You can't say that because pseudo-communist countries killed more people, it's somehow more evil. It's not about the system of government they're mimicing, it's about how heinous the bastards in charge are.
...also, the pseudo-communist countries, two of them had quite a hell of a lot of people to work with, so it's a little easier to kill that many. ...also, this is all assuming that communism isn't democratic. In it's inteded form, it's pretty damned democratic.
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It's about how much power the heinous bastards are allotted, and how they can maintain it.
It's about what is fair to human beings and what rights are maintained by the people. You want to make some sort of Democratic government that is capable of central planning and total redistribution of wealth AND where the power remains in the hands of the people? Well good luck with that. |
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Of course, it's the easy but intellectually dishonest thing to say, once your pet project has failed miserably, that it wasn't an example of your pet project at all. How many millions more have to be slaughtered in additional 'tries' to get it right? No more of my family, thanks. Try it on yourself. Quote:
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I would say, quite simply, that might makes right.
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