"I can't Hate Donald Trump"

[xoxoxoBruce]

Who says Trump doesn't have foreign affairs experience.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Hopefully "will be", not "would have been".




Supporting the middle class is NOT socialism. You've drunk the Kool Aid, Pam.

What is "the middle class"? I think I saw a show about it on the History Channel.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by DanaC

This drives me round the bend. The idea that Bernie Sanders is somehow on the same political page as the old soviet union is just crazy.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Sure, but is the solution for him to be a representative for "see, 'socialism' isn't a bad word," or "no no no, I'm nothing like you're thinking, I'm this other term over here."

And in case anyone hasn't yet seen John Oliver's recent take on it:

Originally Posted by glatt

I've heard him refer to himself as a "democratic socialist." I don't recall ever hearing him say he was a plain old "socialist." Not saying he hasn't, just that I've never seen it.

I think in the pigeonholes of a lot of people's minds, the word "socialist" fits in the same slot as "communist" or "marxist." And "democratic socialist" gets shorted to just "socialist" and dumped in there as well. I see a need for education on the meaning of the different words. But these are somewhat complicated ideas that take more explaining than can fit on a captioned facebook picture. I'm not volunteering to do the explaining, because I don't know the subject well enough to teach it. And as a rule, people resent being lectured.

Over-simplified slogans seem to resonate, and I think "Bernie wants to send my kids to college while [insert opponent here] wants to send them to war." is a decent one.

I love you guys but seriously, you need to get out more. You are clearly out of touch with the US population. You know that whole 1% wealthy thing where they have all the money? Well there is something similar called intelligence inequality (not education but intelligence) where 1% of the population had all the intelligence, Dwellars are highly represented in that group, So stop trying to ascribe qualities like the ability to think to the intellectual hoi polloi. They aren't equipped to do the things you want them to.

You may think I am joking. I am not. Most people are fucking stupid, ignorant, or uneducated. Often all three.

[tw]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Most people are fucking stupid, ignorant, or uneducated. Often all three.

One need only view the number of millenniums who smoke cigarettes. Then deny they were easily brainwashed.

[BigV]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...rotesters.html

link to story with accounts and videos of assaults by supporters of trump.

another recent story with video shows a black man being escorted up the stairs by several men in uniforms, they appear to be sheriff deputies, and the man being escorted is sucker punched with an elbow to the eye by willie nelson's ugly stunt double, McGraw, who was quoted as saying he deserved to be killed, we don't know who he is, the next time we see him he might be a terrorist.

The show "Inside Edition" spoke to McGraw after he punched Jones.

"Yes, he deserved it," McGraw said in an interview. "The next time we see him, we might have to kill him. We don't know who he is. He might be with a terrorist organization."

footfootfoot, you have thoroughly harshed my mellow today.

I don't challenge one word of your post, but, fuck. Thanks a lot buddy.

[Undertoad]

Some people advise that there is an EQ, Emotional Quotient which is capacity of individuals to recognize their own, and other people's emotions, to discriminate between different feelings and label them appropriately, and to use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior

I am of strictly average EQ, I like to imagine, and I'm sure we dwellars fall across the range of it

I imagine being more emotionally connected would allow us to better see who can be trusted and who is a dangerous liar or narcissist; and it would not surprise me to find that EQ makes for a better predictor of successful Presidencies than IQ

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

... Most people are fucking stupid, ...

Now, I have to get back to perusing the forums. And I was up viewing threads until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the Cellar dwellars. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: Just because sometimes "I'm with stupid -->" does not mean I've had sexual relations with stupid, I never indicated to anybody that I'm fucking stupid, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to posting replies for Cellar dwellars. Thank you.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I used to think the vast majority of Americans were reasonable rational people.
Sure, we had wackos and racists but they were a small minority.
The things I'd see in the TV man on the street bits, and on the internet, were a cull of a lot of material.
But shit like this really embarrasses me because now I think it's representative of way too many people...

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Now, I have to get back to perusing the forums. And I was up viewing threads until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the Cellar dwellars. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: Just because sometimes "I'm with stupid -->" does not mean I've had sexual relations with stupid, I never indicated to anybody that I'm fucking stupid, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to posting replies for Cellar dwellars. Thank you.

Then again, sexobon, you're not most people.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I used to think the vast majority of Americans were reasonable rational people.
Sure, we had wackos and racists but they were a small minority.
The things I'd see in the TV man on the street bits, and on the internet, were a cull of a lot of material.
But shit like this really embarrasses me because now I think it's representative of way too many people...

Brilliant!

I work with a kid with severe anxiety and a learning disability. This week we had to talk about Drumpf, because thanks 'Merica. It was a good exercise for him/us to consider whether a nutjob as President has any actual effect on his/our life. We interact with and are effected by the people closest to us in far more profound ways. To have a President this coarse who apparently hates large sections of humanity would be a national embarrassment and will probably kill a lot of foreigners but the effect on his/our life/lives will be minimal unless Drumpf's supporters start rounding people up... which of course he has promised to do.

[footfootfoot]

I doubt things will be much different from this if Strumpf wins.

(follow thread @ link)

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: Just because sometimes "I'm with stupid -->" does not mean I've had sexual relations with stupid,

How did Monica Lewinsky get into this thread?

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by DanaC

The idea of Donald Trump at the head of the world's most powerful fiscal-military machine is fucking terrifying.

It's important to remember, then, that the President of the United States is not the head of very much at all.

(a list of why that is, has been edited out here, for the sanity of the reader)

And no matter who is elected, there is always a tremendous amount of power within the people themselves, which is hard to see sometimes. President Anyone with only 30% support of the people is close to entirely powerless.

[DanaC]

True.

He could still do an awful lot of damage, though.

He is selling fear of the present and the dream of a golden past, and he is giving permission to say the unsayable , no matter how damaging to individuals and communities. He is ramping up the hate-mongering and normalising physical aggressiveness.

[Undertoad]

So they tell me. I don't follow it all that much. I see the headlines, but I don't always trust them.