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Urbane Guerrilla · 02-23-2009, 08:11 PM

Look, pretending these are just opinions won't cut it, Redux. Your argument fails. This was how the Clinton DoJ behaved, quite visibly to observers both here and abroad as my first cites show, and I can just keep heaping the evidence on. You won't acknowledge it despite having lived through that very period of history. Clearly you need to be rescued, for you don't know the truth and thus are unfree.

Aliantha · 02-23-2009, 08:14 PM

lol...all he asked for was a decent cite. If you can't provide one, I suggest that it's you who have failed.

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-23-2009, 08:31 PM

I am dealing with willful ignorance here, and those who insist on it don't come out well dealing with me: their foolish ideas go on display for the shoddiness they are. I'm not angry with the man, but he's clearly settled for second or third best, and that's a shame.

I have no doubt at all I can come up with iron-solid cites that he will have to cultivate a selective blindness not to acknowledge. I can keep digging long after Redux has fled the scene as he says he will.

Furthermore, the "anti-Clinton agenda" was rooted in the deliberate actions of the Clintons themselves: their transparent frauds, their illegal fundraising, their ignorance, feigned or most likely actual, of the law, their manifest though never acknowledged antipathy to the Constitution's Bill of Rights. In Janet Reno they had their edition of the police chief in their pocket, and this was allllllll over the news media.

To the usual retort of, "Yeah, what about AG Alberto Gonzales?!" I say "He was a guy who actively helped win the war -- unlike, say, you." The worst you can say of ol' Alberto is that he soldiered in the battle. Our foes are a quite unsympathetic lot. Funny how much sympathy they seem to get, because some bozos around the States spell "enemy" R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n. I wonder how much consideration they've ever given to "Wahhabi" and "Islamofascist." I've looked at what the Republicans do, and it just ain't that hostile, kids.

Aliantha · 02-23-2009, 08:33 PM

So if you can come up with those cites, why don't you just do it?

eta: perhaps you'll prove your point that way.

capnhowdy · 02-23-2009, 08:42 PM

God forbid!

That would end the argument....er.. I mean debate.

Aliantha · 02-23-2009, 08:42 PM

lol....well we can't have that can we?!!!

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-23-2009, 08:42 PM

Which is how I'll prove my point, digging 'em up again. Patience, patience. It's no less true for taking the time to research.

Aliantha · 02-23-2009, 08:43 PM

Onya UG!

02-23-2009, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Which is how I'll prove my point, digging 'em up again. Patience, patience.

One finding of fact regarding Clinton DoJ unlawful or questionable practices from an authoritative source, not an opinion piece in a conservative periodical....thats all I'm asking!

Hell, I could provide you one that is tangentially related right off the top of my head, but that would take all the fun out of it.

Want a hint?

capnhowdy · 02-23-2009, 08:54 PM

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classicman · 02-23-2009, 09:15 PM

pass some o' that over here cap'n

03-07-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I have no doubt at all I can come up with iron-solid cites that he will have to cultivate a selective blindness not to acknowledge. I can keep digging long after Redux has fled the scene as he says he will...

UG, dude...I'm still here.

Its been two weeks...got those iron-solid cites yet?

Perhaps anything approaching those recently released docs from the Bush DoJ that attempts to give a president the power to ignore Constitutional protections under the 1st, 4th, 5th amendments....

wake me when you finish that research.

TGRR · 03-08-2009, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux

UG, dude...I'm still here.

Its been two weeks...got those iron-solid cites yet?

Perhaps anything approaching those recently released docs from the Bush DoJ that attempts to give a president the power to ignore Constitutional protections under the 1st, 4th, 5th amendments....

wake me when you finish that research.

That's some high-quality ownage there, Redux.

Urbane Guerrilla · 03-09-2009, 08:32 PM

Oh, my, Redux: think it'll go stale in the meantime? I don't...

Might I point out, though, that your position amounts to arguing that a column of smoke observed from widely varied locations, including internationally, is somehow to be construed that there cannot be a fire there? That's pretty silly.

03-09-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Oh, my, Redux: think it'll go stale in the meantime? I don't...

Might I point out, though, that your position amounts to arguing that a column of smoke observed from widely varied locations, including internationally, is somehow to be construed that there cannot be a fire there? That's pretty silly.

I dont recall raising any international perspectives.

I did raise several internal DoJ investigations with findings of violations of administrative law by at least two top level Bush DoJ appointees

I did raise the fact that Gonzales is facing possible perjury charges.

And most recently I raised the issue of Bush DoJ memos justifying a president's "right" to unilaterally bypass Constitutional protections under the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments....and the internal investigation that may result in the disbarment of those Bush DoJ appointees for the manner in which they may have crafted those memos based on political rather than legal arguments.

And you, sir, still have not cited anything to support your allegations about the Clinton DoJ committing far worse violations of law, administrative procedures or professional ethics.

I just thought I "might point that out."

02-23-2009, 08:11 PM	#136
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Look, pretending these are just opinions won't cut it, Redux. Your argument fails. This was how the Clinton DoJ behaved, quite visibly to observers both here and abroad as my first cites show, and I can just keep heaping the evidence on. You won't acknowledge it despite having lived through that very period of history. Clearly you need to be rescued, for you don't know the truth and thus are unfree. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

02-23-2009, 08:14 PM	#137
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol...all he asked for was a decent cite. If you can't provide one, I suggest that it's you who have failed. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-23-2009, 08:31 PM	#138
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I am dealing with willful ignorance here, and those who insist on it don't come out well dealing with me: their foolish ideas go on display for the shoddiness they are. I'm not angry with the man, but he's clearly settled for second or third best, and that's a shame. I have no doubt at all I can come up with iron-solid cites that he will have to cultivate a selective blindness not to acknowledge. I can keep digging long after Redux has fled the scene as he says he will. Furthermore, the "anti-Clinton agenda" was rooted in the deliberate actions of the Clintons themselves: their transparent frauds, their illegal fundraising, their ignorance, feigned or most likely actual, of the law, their manifest though never acknowledged antipathy to the Constitution's Bill of Rights. In Janet Reno they had their edition of the police chief in their pocket, and this was allllllll over the news media. To the usual retort of, "Yeah, what about AG Alberto Gonzales?!" I say "He was a guy who actively helped win the war -- unlike, say, you." The worst you can say of ol' Alberto is that he soldiered in the battle. Our foes are a quite unsympathetic lot. Funny how much sympathy they seem to get, because some bozos around the States spell "enemy" R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n. I wonder how much consideration they've ever given to "Wahhabi" and "Islamofascist." I've looked at what the Republicans do, and it just ain't that hostile, kids. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

02-23-2009, 08:33 PM	#139
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So if you can come up with those cites, why don't you just do it? eta: perhaps you'll prove your point that way. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-23-2009, 08:42 PM	#140
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	God forbid! That would end the argument....er.. I mean debate. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

02-23-2009, 08:42 PM	#141
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol....well we can't have that can we?!!! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-23-2009, 08:42 PM	#142
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Which is how I'll prove my point, digging 'em up again. Patience, patience. It's no less true for taking the time to research. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

02-23-2009, 08:43 PM	#143
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Onya UG! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-23-2009, 08:54 PM	#145
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

02-23-2009, 09:15 PM	#146
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	pass some o' that over here cap'n __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-09-2009, 08:32 PM	#149
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Oh, my, Redux: think it'll go stale in the meantime? I don't... Might I point out, though, that your position amounts to arguing that a column of smoke observed from widely varied locations, including internationally, is somehow to be construed that there cannot be a fire there? That's pretty silly. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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