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11-11-2019, 01:54 PM | #1 |
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The purpose of waiting till they're 18 is they are a legal adult and can call the shots(no pun).
But if they have hormones blocked along the way are they actually an adult? Or just legal. Isn't blocking hormones before 18 actually making a choice but not taking the responsibility for it?
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Doing nothing is also a choice, but I would think that people would be far more likely to try to avoid responsibility for something by claiming that they just let nature take its course than would people who went on a specific medical regimen.
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Yes, they can decide against that path but how many will after years of being prepped and brainwashed that it's the right path.
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Does the doctor physically write the prescription and physically hold the needle? Does the parent care about their kid, and not want them to commit suicide? Of course, but this is not "calling the shots" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Hormone therapy can also start very young, I believe. I don't know enough about it - but I do think there are risks of children being misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria and ending up on a railroad to transition. On the other hand children who genuinely have gender dysmorphia absolutely need proper help and support with a view to transitioning.
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This video in particular was worrying:
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i have very mixed feelings about the whole thing. I particularly worry that kids who aren't actually transgender will end up on a path to transition - meanwhile, youngsters who need to transition may not get the level of support they need.
If it was just a medical thing we wouldn't be having this conversation - the political aspect of it is muddying the waters in really unhelpful ways.
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Withe regards to puberty blockers, I think there is a difference between delaying natural puberty (e.g to prevent early puberty as mentioned above) and preventing natural puberty altogether which is, as I understand it, what happens for some of these youngster - if they go from hormone blockers to hormone therapy, never go through the puberty their body would naturally go through as their biological sex, and then bringing about a kind of pseudo puberty with the hormones of the gender they are transitioning to.
Whether that can bring about a good outcome? I don;t know. Probably for some it will - but we do not fully understand the long term effects - it's a huge experiment.
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They make the choice what to do or not to do, whichever choice they make. And "not to do" is the choice that I would see as having the most hazard of not taking responsibility. And it's also the choice that is by far most likely to be "prepped and brainwashed" in favor of.
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11-12-2019, 12:04 PM | #13 |
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Or on the parent's say-so against the kid's wishes (except to do nothing).
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11-12-2019, 10:14 PM | #14 |
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When I was 16 I knew every goddamn thing, spent the rest of my life proving I had forgotten it.
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11-13-2019, 08:49 AM | #15 |
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i got a divided mind on this stuff...
on one hand: i don't give a flip what people do to themselves (no matter how stupid or delusional) as long as i'm not payin' for it or are bein' forced to participate
on the other: kids are dumb, wild animals that need harnessing...we don't let 'em jump off the roof but we will let 'em hormonally, surgically mutilate themselves? it's a barrel of rattlesnakes: there's no easy way to get to bottom of it
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