9/21/2004: Hurricane Ivan damage

Undertoad · 09-21-2004, 12:05 PM

Collecting a few from Ivan last week, the most impressive damage was done to I-10, where it seems it was blown apart at the joints in the road.

Rampant unimaginable destruction: and a car in your pool.

A puppy gets rescued, yay!

And a last laugh.

tw · 09-21-2004, 12:12 PM

Rather interesting set of pictures from the Pensacola News Journal demonstrate what can happen to a bridge (bridges) when a 30 to 40 foot surge approaches. Apparently some trucker was on that Escambia Bay Bridge right in the heart of that hurricane. One who fear the wind itself would blow the truck off. From the pictures, it becomes obvious which way the waves came from and how (why) bridge sections failed.

http://tinyurl.com/5c43k

Elspode · 09-21-2004, 12:17 PM

Is this the highway that got blown up in "True Lies"?

BrianR · 09-21-2004, 01:53 PM

Yup

Guess · 09-21-2004, 04:03 PM

Wow
Those are incredible pictures.
Can any of you weather-smart people tell me the reason for all these hurricanes?? This is just crazy! Those poor Floridians.

mrputter · 09-21-2004, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianR

Yup

Eh, if you're responding to Elspode, then I don't think so, actually.

This highway is the I10 over the Pensacola Bay in Escambia co (NW Florida, in the panhandle).

The one in True Lies was US highway 1 (the Overseas Highway) in the Florida Keys (specifically, Seven Mile Bridge, I think)...

ferkelparade · 09-21-2004, 06:56 PM

Holy...how crazy do you have to be to drive a truck over that highway in the middle of a hurricane?

Skunks · 09-21-2004, 06:58 PM

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/enoch1024/GODvsBUSH.gif">

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../GODvsBUSH.gif -- from some IRC channel somewhere, I think. I claim absolutely no responsibility.)

xoxoxoBruce · 09-21-2004, 07:32 PM

Skunks, you're a sick puppy,.....I like that.

tw · 09-21-2004, 08:53 PM

Look closer at most damage. Demonstrated is that building can be built reasonably to withstand direct storm assaults. I believe it was ABC News that interviewed a man in front of his house. The house was built per code and suffered minimal damage. Adjacent homes, not built to code, no longer even exist.

Any home not plummeted by a surge of water should be intact. Look closely at pictures. Especially at the borders where a photographer was not concentrating. Often around completely destroyed buildings are buildings virtually intact. Unlike Homestead, it appears this region had numerous building codes enforced. IOW was the damage due to Ivan or was it due to human failure?

One thing that does not survive well in such winds are small boats. Their cleats for ropes typically are not strong enough to hold the boat in such winds. Or the surge was too high for mooring ropes that were too short. Notice the marina. Little damage to buildings. Probably every boat severely damaged or destroyed.

Cyber Wolf · 09-21-2004, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guess

Wow
Those are incredible pictures.
Can any of you weather-smart people tell me the reason for all these hurricanes?? This is just crazy! Those poor Floridians.

Simply put, there've been a lot of storms coming off the west African coast that are moving into just the right latitudes that give them the spin they need to become a tropical system. I won't get into the nittygritty of hurricane formation unless you really want it.

Cyber Wolf · 09-21-2004, 10:09 PM

Oh by the way, that UHAUL sign just cracks me up!

xoxoxoBruce · 09-22-2004, 12:15 AM

Scary.

alphageek31337 · 09-24-2004, 01:20 AM

If I've been paying attention lately (which is an "If" of indescribable proportion), doesn't the position of the moon vis-a-vis the earth have a lot to do with the current surge of hurricane activity? If memory serves (another big one), the moon is actually significantly closer to the earth, causing an increase in tidal activity, and a change in weather patterns that is spawning more and more hurricanes. I remember hearing that we can expect up to 6 or 7 hurricanes of significant force every year for the next couple of decades. Scary prospect, no...?

Cyber Wolf · 09-24-2004, 08:15 AM

I'm not so sure about the increase in tidal activity part. Basically all the moon does is pull the water on Earth a little closer to itself. That alone wouldn't affect the formation and location of forming hurricanes themselves, but would definitely affect how high the storm surge is ends up.

And I'm excited about 6-7 years of intense hurricane activity, but that's the weather junkie in me speaking.

09-21-2004, 12:05 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	9/21/2004: Hurricane Ivan damage Collecting a few from Ivan last week, the most impressive damage was done to I-10, where it seems it was blown apart at the joints in the road. Rampant unimaginable destruction: and a car in your pool. A puppy gets rescued, yay! And a last laugh.

09-21-2004, 12:12 PM	#2
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Rather interesting set of pictures from the Pensacola News Journal demonstrate what can happen to a bridge (bridges) when a 30 to 40 foot surge approaches. Apparently some trucker was on that Escambia Bay Bridge right in the heart of that hurricane. One who fear the wind itself would blow the truck off. From the pictures, it becomes obvious which way the waves came from and how (why) bridge sections failed. http://tinyurl.com/5c43k Attached Images

09-21-2004, 12:17 PM	#3
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Is this the highway that got blown up in "True Lies"? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

09-21-2004, 01:53 PM	#4
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Yup __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

09-21-2004, 04:03 PM	#5
Guess What's my name? Guess Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 69	Wow Those are incredible pictures. Can any of you weather-smart people tell me the reason for all these hurricanes?? This is just crazy! Those poor Floridians. __________________ "Earth laughs in flowers" ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

09-21-2004, 06:56 PM	#7
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09-21-2004, 06:58 PM	#8
Skunks I thought I changed this. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: western nowhere, ny Posts: 412	<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/enoch1024/GODvsBUSH.gif"> (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../GODvsBUSH.gif -- from some IRC channel somewhere, I think. I claim absolutely no responsibility.)

09-21-2004, 07:32 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Skunks, you're a sick puppy,.....I like that. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 04-07-2007 at 06:00 PM.

09-21-2004, 08:53 PM	#10
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Look closer at most damage. Demonstrated is that building can be built reasonably to withstand direct storm assaults. I believe it was ABC News that interviewed a man in front of his house. The house was built per code and suffered minimal damage. Adjacent homes, not built to code, no longer even exist. Any home not plummeted by a surge of water should be intact. Look closely at pictures. Especially at the borders where a photographer was not concentrating. Often around completely destroyed buildings are buildings virtually intact. Unlike Homestead, it appears this region had numerous building codes enforced. IOW was the damage due to Ivan or was it due to human failure? One thing that does not survive well in such winds are small boats. Their cleats for ropes typically are not strong enough to hold the boat in such winds. Or the surge was too high for mooring ropes that were too short. Notice the marina. Little damage to buildings. Probably every boat severely damaged or destroyed.

09-21-2004, 10:09 PM	#12
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	Oh by the way, that UHAUL sign just cracks me up! __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

09-22-2004, 12:15 AM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Scary. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 04-07-2007 at 06:00 PM.

09-24-2004, 01:20 AM	#14
alphageek31337 Enemy Combatant/Evildoer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 263	If I've been paying attention lately (which is an "If" of indescribable proportion), doesn't the position of the moon vis-a-vis the earth have a lot to do with the current surge of hurricane activity? If memory serves (another big one), the moon is actually significantly closer to the earth, causing an increase in tidal activity, and a change in weather patterns that is spawning more and more hurricanes. I remember hearing that we can expect up to 6 or 7 hurricanes of significant force every year for the next couple of decades. Scary prospect, no...? __________________ The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. ---Friedrich Nietzsche

09-24-2004, 08:15 AM	#15
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	I'm not so sure about the increase in tidal activity part. Basically all the moon does is pull the water on Earth a little closer to itself. That alone wouldn't affect the formation and location of forming hurricanes themselves, but would definitely affect how high the storm surge is ends up. And I'm excited about 6-7 years of intense hurricane activity, but that's the weather junkie in me speaking. __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

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