I've Never Heard A Better 2nd Amendment Argument

[Gravdigr]

And here it is.

This is all I will say on the subject, you good folks can argue amongst yourselves all you like. I ain't changing your mind, and you ain't about to change mine.

[DanaC]

That's right. Defend yourself from a theoretically possible future assault by your government at the cost of an actual and current slowly unfolding massacre on your streets and in your schools.

[Happy Monkey]

The protestors weren't armed, and they won.

And now, a bunch of armed men took over the Crimean parliament and put up a Russian flag.

Which group is the 2nd amendment argument?

[Undertoad]

Except it's not an actual massacre, we just say it's one for the emotional plea.

Here's my counter-argument:

Iraq is lousy with AK-47s. For some reason this did not make them free.

[sexobon]

But then no one is saying that guns will make everyone free, just that they can give people a fighting chance to protect their freedom should they wish to keep it. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Websites can make people rich. Mark Zuckerberg's website made a lot of money. Undertoad is lousy with website. For some reason this did not make him rich. There is an actual and current slowly unfolding crime wave on the internet comprised of websites for terrorists, drug traffickers, child pornographers and more extracting a cost on our streets and in our schools. Undertoad should not be entitled to have a website. Only Mark Zuckerberg should have a website.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

... Websites can make people rich. Mark Zuckerberg's website made a lot of money. Undertoad is lousy with website. For some reason this did not make him rich. ...

You should probably rewrite the logic for that second paragraph.

[footfootfoot]

The idea that citizens, armed with the type of weapons that citizens can afford and buy, could in any way defend themselves against the military and its very special weapons is fantastic.

The 2nd amendment was written in another time and world.

Now that I've posted my opinion on Grav's article I'll go read it.

hahhahahha

[footfootfoot]

Crap. It's blocked at my school. Weapons sites, etc. I'm sure there's a FIRST amendment issue here since the school is public and blocking certain sites is essentially censorship AND there is no evidence that the site promotes violence, etc etc

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by sexobon

But then no one is saying that guns will make everyone free, just that they can give people a fighting chance to protect their freedom should they wish to keep it. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
...

Killing another human being does not set you free.

[Spexxvet]

How do we curb all the wrongful gun deaths, without limiting guns?

[footfootfoot]

who will cut and paste or attache a pdf so I can read it?

[Undertoad]

http://cellar.org/amend2-arg.html

[Undertoad]

ok that's a better solution

[glatt]

And I just deleted it when I saw yours!

[footfootfoot]

Should our government stop serving the people it is our obligation to remove that government from power and replace it with one that upholds the Constitution of the United States. - See more at: http://cellar.org/amend2-arg.html#sthash.q8WuIxnl.dpuf

Doesn't The "Patriot" Act define that as treason?

And the author's point about a similarly trained and armed populace is my point. The gov has much better toys than joe average and far better and more comprehensive training.

I see a slippery slope of blood.

I still think the whole gun violence thing that many object to is better addressed by eliminating poverty, and ignorance. Maybe all the gun violence we are seeing is in fact a revolution only happening in slow motion.