Does the hunter go around the squirrel? Vote and then move on already. - Page 2

classicman · 01-04-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

The answer is YES and NO!
It all depends upon the definition of "go around"

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Originally Posted by glatt

The squirrel thing (at least I know how to spell squirrel without looking now) doesn't have a correct answer.
It's all semantics.

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Does this mean we are off probation?

infinite monkey · 01-04-2012, 04:38 PM

No, it means that glatt is ON probation.

Gravdigr · 01-04-2012, 06:38 PM

Fuck the squirrel. Fuck the tree.

The scene: An empty parking lot. In the middle of the parking lot, a car is slowly driving in a circle, inside a yellow circle painted on the asphalt of the parking lot. A man is walking along the yellow circle painted on the asphalt of the parking lot. The man walks a complete 360 degree circle around the car driving in a circle.

Did he circle the car?

Well fuck yeah he circled the car.

Anything else implies you can't circle something that's facing you.

regular.joe · 01-04-2012, 09:30 PM

I can't believe there is debate over the issue. This is amazing.

classicman · 01-04-2012, 10:19 PM

BigV · 01-04-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by regular.joe

I can't believe there is debate over the issue. This is amazing.

there's no debate, regular.joe. there's just a couple innumerate/geometrically challenged dwellars. it's 'posed to be a argument maker, but it is in no way ambiguous to me.

Rrrraven · 01-04-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

And yes, the hunter goes around the damn squirrel. The squirrel is not a stinkin' planet. It's a squirrel.

This made me laugh, really loud, at work. Inappropriately.
That's all.

Sundae · 01-05-2012, 10:09 AM

I said he went around the squirl.
I don't believe he did.

infinite monkey · 01-05-2012, 10:13 AM

MOD IN AISLE THREE.

Change her poll answer. I know, you can't. WAS KIDDING.

I wouldn't have asked had you gone the other way.

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Originally Posted by BigV

there's no debate, regular.joe. there's just a couple innumerate/geometrically challenged dwellars. it's 'posed to be a argument maker, but it is in no way ambiguous to me.

Really? That's what you're going with? That you're right and us couple innumerate/geometrically challenged dwellars are wrong?

You're geometrically challenged. You're challenging simple geometry, for the sake of some lofty magic trick (i.e. sci fi) explanation. If faeries are near the tree, then the hunter and squirrel rise above the simple rules of geometry.

HungLikeJesus · 01-05-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Fuck the squirrel. Fuck the tree.

The scene: An empty parking lot. In the middle of the parking lot, a car is slowly driving in a circle, inside a yellow circle painted on the asphalt of the parking lot. A man is walking along the yellow circle painted on the asphalt of the parking lot. The man walks a complete 360 degree circle around the car driving in a circle.

Did he circle the car?

Well fuck yeah he circled the car.

Anything else implies you can't circle something that's facing you.

What if the car is driving around a circle clockwise.
There's a driver in the left seat; there's a passenger in the right seat (the normal arrangement).

Does the driver circle the passenger?

BigV · 01-05-2012, 11:34 AM

Here's what I'm going with:

If you want to talk about this puzzle in terms of geometry, I'll do that with you.

If you want to talk about this puzzle in terms of semantics, specifically what it means to "go around", the original text of the puzzle, I'll do that with you.

In fact, I've tried a number of times to engage in normal conversational tones to do both of these things. I've stated my position on both of them. Summarized: geometry perspective, hunter goes around squirrel; "go around" perspective, depends on what the definition of goes around is (as an aside, I asked this and you dismissed it with a joke about the definition of definition. Fine, I'm ok with a joke. But you didn't answer so I can't proceed with a conversation, I can only proceed with my position).

I used innumerate as a poor analog to illiterate for spatial reasoning. I find the discussion stimulating, as long as it doesn't decay into hostility and stays mostly on topic. I replied to some of your posts respectfully, disagreeing with your usage of some terms, like circumference. Not as a personal attack, but correcting your misuse of the terms. Some terms are less strictly defined, like "go around". I've invited conversation about those terms too, but with less success.

For me, to go around in this kind of situation means to trace a path that is a closed circuit, that the path crosses itself at some point. The shape is not very important but it represents an area, it has an interior. The path can be approximated by a regular polygon (Definition: A number of coplanar line segments, each connected end to end to form a closed shape.) Such a path would create an area that has an inside and an outside. For me, all points, and all objects inside that area have been "gone around". The facing or movement of any object inside is irrelevant, such as the squirrel's motion.

I see this problem as a geometry problem, and as such, it has a simple, single correct answer: Yes.

For those who view this as a different problem, and NOT as a geometry problem, I'd be happy to hear the justifications. But I have rejected the geometrical justifications for a "no" answer, if that's your argument, you'd better be able to show me how.

Maybe you're not innumerate, a poor choice of words as I said. Fine. Maybe you're fluent with geometry, I am pretty fluent in geometry too. I can communicate on those terms. I pretty good with non mathematical english terms too. The point at this point is what is the question. And I see the question as "what does it mean to go around?" What is your answer to that question?

BigV · 01-05-2012, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

What if the car is driving around a circle clockwise.
There's a driver in the left seat; there's a passenger in the right seat (the normal arrangement).

Does the driver circle the passenger?

Yes.

infinite monkey · 01-05-2012, 11:41 AM

Oh come on!

All sense of logic has left your head.

jimhelm · 01-05-2012, 11:45 AM

but the driver does complete a circle that entirely encompasses the passenger's path/position at all times

he has him surrounded!

jimhelm · 01-05-2012, 11:47 AM

how about this:

I'm standing in your way on a narrow foot path, facing you.

you need to pass.

I refuse to step aside.

you go around me.

you go to your left, my right. off the path for a few steps, and then back on and continue on your way.

you never see the left side of my body.

did you, or did you not.... go ...around... me?

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01-04-2012, 06:38 PM	#18
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Fuck the squirrel. Fuck the tree. The scene: An empty parking lot. In the middle of the parking lot, a car is slowly driving in a circle, inside a yellow circle painted on the asphalt of the parking lot. A man is walking along the yellow circle painted on the asphalt of the parking lot. The man walks a complete 360 degree circle around the car driving in a circle. Did he circle the car? Well fuck yeah he circled the car. Anything else implies you can't circle something that's facing you. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

01-04-2012, 09:30 PM	#19
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	I can't believe there is debate over the issue. This is amazing. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

01-04-2012, 10:19 PM	#20
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01-05-2012, 11:34 AM	#26
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Here's what I'm going with: If you want to talk about this puzzle in terms of geometry, I'll do that with you. If you want to talk about this puzzle in terms of semantics, specifically what it means to "go around", the original text of the puzzle, I'll do that with you. In fact, I've tried a number of times to engage in normal conversational tones to do both of these things. I've stated my position on both of them. Summarized: geometry perspective, hunter goes around squirrel; "go around" perspective, depends on what the definition of goes around is (as an aside, I asked this and you dismissed it with a joke about the definition of definition. Fine, I'm ok with a joke. But you didn't answer so I can't proceed with a conversation, I can only proceed with my position). I used innumerate as a poor analog to illiterate for spatial reasoning. I find the discussion stimulating, as long as it doesn't decay into hostility and stays mostly on topic. I replied to some of your posts respectfully, disagreeing with your usage of some terms, like circumference. Not as a personal attack, but correcting your misuse of the terms. Some terms are less strictly defined, like "go around". I've invited conversation about those terms too, but with less success. For me, to go around in this kind of situation means to trace a path that is a closed circuit, that the path crosses itself at some point. The shape is not very important but it represents an area, it has an interior. The path can be approximated by a regular polygon (Definition: A number of coplanar line segments, each connected end to end to form a closed shape.) Such a path would create an area that has an inside and an outside. For me, all points, and all objects inside that area have been "gone around". The facing or movement of any object inside is irrelevant, such as the squirrel's motion. I see this problem as a geometry problem, and as such, it has a simple, single correct answer: Yes. For those who view this as a different problem, and NOT as a geometry problem, I'd be happy to hear the justifications. But I have rejected the geometrical justifications for a "no" answer, if that's your argument, you'd better be able to show me how. Maybe you're not innumerate, a poor choice of words as I said. Fine. Maybe you're fluent with geometry, I am pretty fluent in geometry too. I can communicate on those terms. I pretty good with non mathematical english terms too. The point at this point is what is the question. And I see the question as "what does it mean to go around?" What is your answer to that question? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

01-04-2012, 04:38 PM	#17
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	No, it means that glatt is ON probation.

01-05-2012, 10:09 AM	#23
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I said he went around the squirl. I don't believe he did.

01-05-2012, 11:41 AM	#28
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Oh come on! All sense of logic has left your head.

01-05-2012, 11:45 AM	#29
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	but the driver does complete a circle that entirely encompasses the passenger's path/position at all times he has him surrounded! __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

01-05-2012, 11:47 AM	#30
jimhelm a beautiful fool Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 39.939705 Posts: 4,504	how about this: I'm standing in your way on a narrow foot path, facing you. you need to pass. I refuse to step aside. you go around me. you go to your left, my right. off the path for a few steps, and then back on and continue on your way. you never see the left side of my body. did you, or did you not.... go ...around... me? __________________ There's a Shadow just behind me. Shrouding every step I take. Making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. _tool

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