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12-05-2011, 10:12 PM | #2 |
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That isn't being against any law that protects homosexuality. I disagree with him about gay marriage as well but civil unions is protecting homosexuality (to a degree)...
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Just because he would allow civil unions does not mean Huntsman is a champion for gay rights. Compare the following statement made by Huntsman with the teachings of the Mormon Church.
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I am willing to concede that both candidates - and any one else for that matter - may not allow their religion to "control their beliefs." Although isn't that how religion is defined - a system of belief?
Maybe Huntsman is a kinder, gentler Mormon who won't damage your stomach lining. I don't know. I had a friend who is a lesbian who grew up in the Mormon church. Some of her stories just broke my heart. Her parents married her off at 16, so she could "over come" being gay. Needless to say, it didn't work. And I myself have had some unpleasant encounters with Mormons. So, maybe my view of the Mormons is distorted. I'll admit that. But I still would rather not have a Mormon president. |
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And in my opinion, someone who is unable or unwilling to tolerate differences in lifestyles and beliefs has no business running a multi-cultural and diverse country such as the USA.
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How is that different from Catholicism or Islam? The only difference is that we are not used to people of Mormon faith distancing themselves from the fundamentalist level while we are used to it with Catholicism or Islam.
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How are they different from the government's perspective, ie the perspective from which we should care at all what any politician says about it? Any difference would be discriminatory, as far as I can tell.
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I have to say, his support for civil unions does him a great deal of credit in my view. It speaks to one of two things. Either he holds anti-gay views but isn't letting that adversely affect his political role. instead going for a compromise position that maintains the primacy of heterosexual marriage, but sanctions an important step forward in terms of alternatives to marriage.
Or, he is relatively moderate for a devout Christian. Given that some of that stripe are dead against any acceptance of homosexuality at an official level, it was a strong stance to take.
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Doesn't he accept evolution? For a religious guy, especially in the US, that makes him moderate.
Heck I've heard he even believes in anthropogenic climate change. That makes him the lunatic fringe of moderate conservatives.
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The thing is, I don't think anyone on the left, even on the centre left is going to find themselves agreeing with a great deal of his opinions or policy intentions.
The question is, could he, from the right, find a compromise that worked for the whole of the centre, more or less, and take the left with him some of the way. I don't know if that's likely or possible. Ron Paul has been quite interesting. There have been a few times I've found myself nodding along. The comments he made about waterboarding for instance.
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Someone needs to be able to break through the impasse in Washington.
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Huntsman's views on marriage/civil union seem identical to Obama's.
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Mormonism is just like any other religion: there are good honest people who can think for themselves and there are crazy fundamentalist assholes who feel they need to everyone to adhere to their beliefs. I grew up with two Mormons, in Wisconsin not Utah, and they were not extreme by any means. One was actually good friends with a gay guy as well.
I can't find the original article about Huntsman and his faith that I read but this one basically says the same thing (at least from what I skimmed over): Quote:
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