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Undertoad · 08-01-2016, 11:24 AM

The prosecutor who brought this case without evidence is crying foul?

glatt · 08-01-2016, 11:42 AM

I was worried there were going to be riots in Baltimore again when the charges were dropped against the rest of them, but apparently enough time has passed, or something.

sexobon · 08-01-2016, 04:09 PM

I read that the cops are suing the prosecutor. Maybe people are afraid the cops will sue rioters too.

Spexxvet · 08-02-2016, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

The prosecutor who brought this case without evidence is crying foul?

No, the prosecutor who was not provided with evidence by the cops who didn't want their brethren prosecuted. That one.

Undertoad · 08-02-2016, 08:20 AM

Sounds like the same one

http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...omist-explains

Clodfobble · 08-02-2016, 09:16 AM

Were there body cameras in the Freddie Gray case? I can't remember.

sexobon · 08-03-2016, 12:06 AM

They only wear body cams in police vans when they're doin' carpool karaoke.

Big Sarge · 08-03-2016, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Sarge, did you watch "Making a Murderer"?

I am somewhat familiar with the case, but I haven't watched the series.

Big Sarge · 08-03-2016, 07:16 AM

Spexxvet - I see you still continue to cry foul. Please gift us with the evidence you have that illustrates criminal actions by these officers.

In three trials, Judge Williams, who is black and who successfully prosecuted cases of police misconduct for eight years in the justice department of the United States, questioned the assumption that the officers’ actions constituted criminal activity. He ruled each time that the criminal allegations were not supported by the evidence: in contrast to a shooting or stabbing, either of which would produce an obvious wound, Mr Gray's neck injury was internal and hidden from view, making it difficult for police to recognise. Like the case of Schrödinger’s ill-fated cat in the box, there is no telling exactly what happened to Mr Gray inside the police van, only speculative and “equally plausible scenarios.” And there is no proof that any of the officers meant to endanger or harm Mr Gray, nor that they knowingly denied him necessary medical care.

Spexxvet · 08-03-2016, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Spexxvet - I see you still continue to cry foul. Please gift us with the evidence you have that illustrates criminal actions by these officers.

Just putting him in a van, handcuffed, without restraint is criminal

ETA: Can you imagine if a civilian did that to an off duty cop?

Big Sarge · 08-03-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Just putting him in a van, handcuffed, without restraint is criminal

ETA: Can you imagine if a civilian did that to an off duty cop?

Please state the criminal statute and the punishment for said offense. I want to see what you is driving your desire to ruin these officers' lives, wreck the criminal justice system, and cause civil unrest.

Big Sarge · 08-03-2016, 10:02 AM

Here's Freddie Gray's arrest record. I don't have his prison, probation, and parole periods.

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

Big Sarge · 08-03-2016, 10:23 AM

I know this is 3 posts in a row for me, but I need to put this out. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be friends. I realize we've grown up in different parts of the country, have different life experiences, and different levels of education. If I huff and puff in here, it doesn't mean I don't like you. Heck, I really respect and like Dr Dana even though I think she is liberal without a clue of what is really going on over here. Dana, no disrespect intended you were simply a quick liberal reference

Happy Monkey · 08-03-2016, 10:57 AM

Bringing up oppo research on the victim seems like a justification for injuring him, rather than support for the claim that there was no intent to injure him.

Undertoad · 08-03-2016, 10:59 AM

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Freddie Gray's arrest record

Is it interesting to note that, if there is no war on drugs, this is reduced to (if not further)

March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
September 28, 2013: Second-degree assault, second-degree escape

If there is no war on drugs he is sentenced and serves realistically for these crimes, since that's what society then focuses on, and he is not around to be arrested again.

08-02-2016, 09:16 AM	#126
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08-03-2016, 07:16 AM	#129
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Spexxvet - I see you still continue to cry foul. Please gift us with the evidence you have that illustrates criminal actions by these officers. In three trials, Judge Williams, who is black and who successfully prosecuted cases of police misconduct for eight years in the justice department of the United States, questioned the assumption that the officers’ actions constituted criminal activity. He ruled each time that the criminal allegations were not supported by the evidence: in contrast to a shooting or stabbing, either of which would produce an obvious wound, Mr Gray's neck injury was internal and hidden from view, making it difficult for police to recognise. Like the case of Schrödinger’s ill-fated cat in the box, there is no telling exactly what happened to Mr Gray inside the police van, only speculative and “equally plausible scenarios.” And there is no proof that any of the officers meant to endanger or harm Mr Gray, nor that they knowingly denied him necessary medical care. __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-03-2016, 10:02 AM	#132
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Here's Freddie Gray's arrest record. I don't have his prison, probation, and parole periods. March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts) __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-03-2016, 10:23 AM	#133
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	I know this is 3 posts in a row for me, but I need to put this out. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be friends. I realize we've grown up in different parts of the country, have different life experiences, and different levels of education. If I huff and puff in here, it doesn't mean I don't like you. Heck, I really respect and like Dr Dana even though I think she is liberal without a clue of what is really going on over here. Dana, no disrespect intended you were simply a quick liberal reference __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-03-2016, 10:57 AM	#134
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Bringing up oppo research on the victim seems like a justification for injuring him, rather than support for the claim that there was no intent to injure him. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-01-2016, 11:24 AM	#121
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The prosecutor who brought this case without evidence is crying foul?

08-01-2016, 11:42 AM	#122
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I was worried there were going to be riots in Baltimore again when the charges were dropped against the rest of them, but apparently enough time has passed, or something.

08-01-2016, 04:09 PM	#123
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	I read that the cops are suing the prosecutor. Maybe people are afraid the cops will sue rioters too.

08-02-2016, 08:20 AM	#125
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Sounds like the same one http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...omist-explains

08-03-2016, 12:06 AM	#127
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	They only wear body cams in police vans when they're doin' carpool karaoke.

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