March 7, 2007: Plane barely survives 20,000 feet freefall - Page 2

RellikLaerec · 03-07-2007, 11:03 PM

Well i would think to be glad they didn't have autopilot on. If they would have, the plane would have never fallen fast enough for them to regain consciousness. They would have just kept flying till they ran out of fuel. Course, they would have frozen to death first, so the crash wouldn't of been so terrifying. I think I remember hearing a story like this happening. The FFA found the plane flying off course and had it intercepted when they realized that the pilots and passengers were dead. They just left the plane to fly till it ran out of fuel, then let it crash in a field. How would you like to get that call about a loved one?
Damn lucky pilots. Really glad to hear a happy ending!

Cloud · 03-07-2007, 11:05 PM

Superman saved 'em!

tulzscha · 03-07-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

I once saw Bob Hoover do a ten minute power-management flight demo (translation: flying with the engines off) in a Rockwell AeroCommander, which I think may have been a predecessor, or at least a pretty close copy, of this aircraft. These things are *awesome* planes.

And Bob Hoover knew what he was doing...

With the advent of camcorders, Hoover added a flourish to the act by pouring a cup of tea from a Thermos, while performing a slow barrel roll (a 1G maneuver). Video of this has been widely distributed, to the pleasure of Aero Commander enthusiasts.

wolf · 03-08-2007, 02:16 AM

Welcome to the Cellar, Beagle, and thanks for the research!

The best known plane, a small jet, that flew on autopilot until crashing after decompression was the one carrying golfer Payne Stewart. There was apparently a similar incident in 2005 that involved a Boeing 737 in Greece that killed 121. Apparently they call them "ghost flights."

xoxoxoBruce · 03-08-2007, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by beagle1971

I looked up the registration (N777AJ) and found some more info on the incident:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/8711080335

http://planenews.com/ntsb.php?ev_id=...8X00156&kkey=1

Looks like they went into an overspeed situation, given the plane's cruising speed is 292 knots, and the FlightAware.com site shows their max speed was 419 knots at one point (although that's listed as ground speed, so that might be misleading.)

Thanks Beagle, I'll second Wolf's welcome.

I don't understand the 419 knots, link.
09:41AM 36.37 -93.95 183 6500
09:41AM 36.37 -93.93 187 27000
09:42AM 36.37 -93.87 193 8300
They went from 6.5k ft to 27k ft then 8.3k ft in a minute or two. But then they climbed to 27k ft and basically held it there until 10:22AM. The 419 knots ground speed was about 10:07AM while they were in straight, level, flight. It doesn't seem logical they would have done either the speed or altitude, after the incident. What am I missing here?

From that page, the link to the flight status shows the "HORIZON TIMBER SERVICES INC (ARKADELPHIA AR)", flight;
Departure 08:30AM CST 08:39AM CST
Arrival 10:37AM CST 09:30AM CST
Speed 275 kts
Altitude 27000 feet
They left 9 minutes "late" and arrived over an hour "early". I can see leaving 9 minutes later than the filed flight plan, especially with no passengers. But when they file the plan, do they add some time to the expected arrival so nobody gets excited if they run a little behind?

Proofreading this, (yes I do, even though my posts don't look it:p ) I realized it sounds like a cross examination. Not so, I just wondered if you could educate a dummy like me on how this works.
Where's Maggie when you need her? I know there must be some pilots out there that can easily 'splain it.

beagle1971 · 03-08-2007, 11:02 AM

Well, ground speed isn't equal to air speed, but I don't know what the conversion of the two would be, accounting for air density and such, so what I posted earlier is misleading concerning rated speed and ground speed listed at the tracking site. I just theorized that the plane went over its rated speed, which is what caused the structural damage, most notably to the tail, but also the wing buckling.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-08-2007, 08:43 PM

OK, thank you.

Sundae · 03-09-2007, 05:07 AM

Where IS Maggie anyway?

Trilby · 03-09-2007, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Where IS Maggie anyway?

Shhhhh! If you say that three times, she appears and eats your head.

Sheldonrs · 03-09-2007, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

Shhhhh! If you say that three times, she appears and eats your head.

Both of them!

busterb · 03-10-2007, 01:59 PM

LSU fooball coach a few years ago. Plane crashed in ocean.
on this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Rein

tw · 03-11-2007, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Shhhhh! If you say that three times, she appears and eats your head.

Ahhhh ... The Crawling Eye. What a great movie.

03-07-2007, 11:05 PM	#17
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03-10-2007, 01:59 PM	#26
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	LSU fooball coach a few years ago. Plane crashed in ocean. on this page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Rein __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

03-07-2007, 11:03 PM	#16
RellikLaerec Faithful Companion Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Buckeye City Posts: 185	Well i would think to be glad they didn't have autopilot on. If they would have, the plane would have never fallen fast enough for them to regain consciousness. They would have just kept flying till they ran out of fuel. Course, they would have frozen to death first, so the crash wouldn't of been so terrifying. I think I remember hearing a story like this happening. The FFA found the plane flying off course and had it intercepted when they realized that the pilots and passengers were dead. They just left the plane to fly till it ran out of fuel, then let it crash in a field. How would you like to get that call about a loved one? Damn lucky pilots. Really glad to hear a happy ending!

03-08-2007, 11:02 AM	#21
beagle1971 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2	Well, ground speed isn't equal to air speed, but I don't know what the conversion of the two would be, accounting for air density and such, so what I posted earlier is misleading concerning rated speed and ground speed listed at the tracking site. I just theorized that the plane went over its rated speed, which is what caused the structural damage, most notably to the tail, but also the wing buckling.

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