2/3/2003: Weather radar sees Columbia debris

Undertoad · 02-03-2003, 11:26 AM

It's the IotD's first animated image.

This has been widely seen on the net since yesterday, and probably half of you all have already seen it. It's here for the folks who haven't.

If the radar shows the equivalent of the strongest storm on record, why did 99.9999% of the people on the ground feel nothing? Turns out the whole system is set up to watch for water and water vapor, and the debris of the shuttle body is much more reflective to radar.

(The green speckles around the center are haze, and you can ignore them.)

Pity: any time code information is missing, so we don't know what time period is covered here. But the numbers on the left are miles, telling us that to the "eye" of the weather radar, the plume and debris was about three miles wide, about twenty miles long, and lasted for quite a while.

Stupidity: Philly local news teased video of this animation with the line "See what the disaster looked like from outer space!" Like most local news teases, that statement is blatantly wrong. The image is shown from the perspective of above, as if you might be seeing something from space; but this is what it looked like from radar equipment on the ground. From space, it wouldn't look anything like this.

It's easy to see how casual errors like this are introduced into the local news: a newsroom flunkie producer watched the video and wrote something off the top of his/her head. It's probably not that the science education is lacking enough that the copy writer wouldn't know the difference; it's just that getting the copy accurate is not a high priority. A higher priority is writing exciting copy that will keep the viewers around through the commercial break.

Undertoad · 02-03-2003, 01:07 PM

More information. Apparently the shuttle began its actual breakup well before the first frame here caught anything - in fact, it was further west than Dallas. But it was travelling so fast that the debris didn't reach the point where weather rader would catch it until it got this far.

So the left-most point of red in this image is NOT the place where the accident began; it actually began far to the left, off the frame in fact.

SubSub · 02-03-2003, 02:50 PM

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If the radar shows the equivalent of the strongest storm on record

Except, as someone who grew up in Texas, and for whom watching the storms roll across the weather radar was a form of entertainment(no, really), that's about the same size of most of the spring squall lines. Except they're usually green and yellow, instead of that intense.

And that's definitely more than three miles. (Texas is rather big.) I'm wondering if the numbers are minutes of latitude.

hot_pastrami · 02-03-2003, 03:12 PM

Yes, writing copy is not a high priority. As illustrated in this screenie from CNN. 18 times the speed of LIGHT!!?

Star Trek - 1
Einstein - zip

xoxoxoBruce · 02-03-2003, 03:44 PM

Not to worry. Bush is going to throw half a billion dollars at it to make everything all better.

MaggieL · 02-03-2003, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by hot_pastrami
Yes, writing copy is not a high priority. As illustrated in this screenie from CNN. 18 times the speed of LIGHT!!?

Well, that's probably the same typing monkey that had the speed of Columbia at the time data was lost as "Mock 18".

02-03-2003, 04:30 PM

He got a job at CNN after he left MSNBC for the "Nigger Innis" ordeal.

Joe · 02-03-2003, 05:07 PM

MaggieL and I saw the same "mock" number. In the midst of tragedy, I busted a gut thinking some newsman really had a sense of humor. I probably would have expelled my coffee out my nose had I seen the "light" number.

Makes you wonder what else they routinely screw up on the local channels.

hot_pastrami · 02-03-2003, 06:18 PM

This one has since been fixed on CNN's website, but attached is a screen grab from earlier today (this is a link from Fark). Notice the caption under the picture... sorry I know it's hard to read:

"Columbia is the second shuttle to be lost since the Challenger exploded 17 years ago"

Second since then? Wow. Must have lost one of those secret shuttles that the shadow government was launching. Morons.

It was at this URL: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/0...eut/index.html

Elspode · 02-03-2003, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
More information. Apparently the shuttle began its actual breakup well before the first frame here caught anything - in fact, it was further west than Dallas.

I saw video this morning shot along the California/Nevada border that showed debris coming off even that far West. There was another report from an astronomer in California who report visually observing a similar event.

Things started falling off early in the descent, apparently.

ignatius · 02-03-2003, 10:57 PM

One of the news channel tickers on Saturday had the shuttle altitude as 200,000 miles over Texas- yowzaa!

02-03-2003, 11:26 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	2/3/2003: Weather radar sees Columbia debris It's the IotD's first animated image. This has been widely seen on the net since yesterday, and probably half of you all have already seen it. It's here for the folks who haven't. If the radar shows the equivalent of the strongest storm on record, why did 99.9999% of the people on the ground feel nothing? Turns out the whole system is set up to watch for water and water vapor, and the debris of the shuttle body is much more reflective to radar. (The green speckles around the center are haze, and you can ignore them.) Pity: any time code information is missing, so we don't know what time period is covered here. But the numbers on the left are miles, telling us that to the "eye" of the weather radar, the plume and debris was about three miles wide, about twenty miles long, and lasted for quite a while. Stupidity: Philly local news teased video of this animation with the line "See what the disaster looked like from outer space!" Like most local news teases, that statement is blatantly wrong. The image is shown from the perspective of above, as if you might be seeing something from space; but this is what it looked like from radar equipment on the ground. From space, it wouldn't look anything like this. It's easy to see how casual errors like this are introduced into the local news: a newsroom flunkie producer watched the video and wrote something off the top of his/her head. It's probably not that the science education is lacking enough that the copy writer wouldn't know the difference; it's just that getting the copy accurate is not a high priority. A higher priority is writing exciting copy that will keep the viewers around through the commercial break.

02-03-2003, 03:12 PM	#4
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	Speaking of stupidity... Yes, writing copy is not a high priority. As illustrated in this screenie from CNN. 18 times the speed of LIGHT!!? Star Trek - 1 Einstein - zip Attached Images __________________ Hot Pastrami! Last edited by hot_pastrami; 02-03-2003 at 03:24 PM.

02-03-2003, 05:07 PM	#8
Joe Master of the Domain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 221	damn you beat me to it MaggieL and I saw the same "mock" number. In the midst of tragedy, I busted a gut thinking some newsman really had a sense of humor. I probably would have expelled my coffee out my nose had I seen the "light" number. Makes you wonder what else they routinely screw up on the local channels. __________________ One planet, many worlds.

02-03-2003, 06:18 PM	#9
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	CNN strikes AGAIN This one has since been fixed on CNN's website, but attached is a screen grab from earlier today (this is a link from Fark). Notice the caption under the picture... sorry I know it's hard to read: "Columbia is the second shuttle to be lost since the Challenger exploded 17 years ago" Second since then? Wow. Must have lost one of those secret shuttles that the shadow government was launching. Morons. It was at this URL: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/0...eut/index.html Attached Images __________________ Hot Pastrami!

02-03-2003, 01:07 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	More information. Apparently the shuttle began its actual breakup well before the first frame here caught anything - in fact, it was further west than Dallas. But it was travelling so fast that the debris didn't reach the point where weather rader would catch it until it got this far. So the left-most point of red in this image is NOT the place where the accident began; it actually began far to the left, off the frame in fact.

02-03-2003, 03:44 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not to worry. Bush is going to throw half a billion dollars at it to make everything all better.

02-03-2003, 04:30 PM	#7
dave Guest Posts: n/a	He got a job at CNN after he left MSNBC for the "Nigger Innis" ordeal.

02-03-2003, 10:57 PM	#11
ignatius Kinda New Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 1	One of the news channel tickers on Saturday had the shuttle altitude as 200,000 miles over Texas- yowzaa!

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