Religion Topics

[monster]

There seem to be an awful lot of them recently -particularly anti-religion ones. I don't have a problem with this, but I was wondering if it would be beneficial if they were all directed to the same forum -maybe philosophy or current events? Only it seems there something on this topic in every forum right now. If you are interested in debating the topic, all relevant threads would be in the same place, and if you're not, then it's easier to avoid them?

I just checked back and saw that religion was included in the description of the philosophy forum, so maybe that would be good place? Or am I suggestiong something that would be considered curtailment of freedom of expression in the cellar? Do mods move posts here?

Just wondering is all, please don't shoot me!

[Spexxvet]

God damn you!

[Bullitt]

I think the spurt of religion threads is more due to current event threads that slide into some kind of religion debate.
Just roll with it I guess.

[Ibby]

Well considering religion has permeated just about every aspect of society, it seems only fitting it's permeated just about every aspect of the forum.

I have no issue with religion.
The degrading of the separation of church and state and the stepping-up of the bigotry against non-christians and the non-religious and one aspect of religion, teaching children that if they sin they will go to hell, which is child abuse, and using religion to further other forms of bigotry like racism/homophobia/misogynism are things I am against and enjoy discussing.
As long as someone does not use their religion to harm others... no sweat.

[monster]

rkz, I agree with you on many counts -I have been enjoying your posts, but they seem related to one another and yet scattered throughout the forums which are generally differentiated by subject matter. I appreciate that your posts are not about religion in itself, but yours are not the only posts I wanted clarification about, and religion seemed the common denominator, hence the thread title.

Personally, I would find it easier if related topics were in the same forum, but I appreciate that more people can be reached and the wide-ranging nature of the issue can be highlighted by posting in many forums. Hence the reason for my question/post.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I have no issue with religion.
The degrading of the separation of church and state and the stepping-up of the bigotry against non-christians and the non-religious and one aspect of religion, teaching children that if they sin they will go to hell, which is child abuse, and using religion to further other forms of bigotry like racism/homophobia/misogynism are things I am against and enjoy discussing.
As long as someone does not use their religion to harm others... no sweat.

And as soon as you see something YOU think is wrong, you bring out the firehose and condemn every Christian in the world.

That ain’t the way religion works. There’s more flavors of Christians than you can count. It doesn’t make any difference what you think a particular flavor should or shouldn’t do. Christ couldn’t do it, who the hell do you think you are?

The Roman’s said the pope is the cat’s ass. The Greeks said bullshit we’re doing it our way, and still are.

The Romans said you gotta follow our rules, viola...Protestants.

Some said the Romans were only slightly wrong....Church of England.

It kept splitting and splitting, not because God said so, not because the bible changed, because people wanted their religion to reflect their beliefs not the other way around. Kids grew up being taught one way, although that way might change even in their childhood span. If they couldn’t get comfortable with that way, they either followed their own conscience within it or left that sect. They might even leave Christianity or religion entirely.

Pompous asses that Try to define strict rules and boxes for any flavor of Christianity, just don’t get it. They don’t have a clue how it works, can’t comprehend the people shape the religion not the other way around.

Don't tell me you studied them all, I'm not even beginning to buy that. All you find in textbooks is a snapshot of a living, breathing, seething mass. Memorize that book and you still don’t know shit.

Christianity isn’t the only religion of many flavors. Guess what, millions of people believe, and practice Buddhism as their religion. They worship the Dali Lama as a deity. You can claim they are wrong, they say you’re wrong. Their will shapes their beliefs and you don’t get tell them why they have to believe.

Islam seems to be broken down in to Sunni and Shia, but thats only the beginning. It depends on the school, the area, maybe village. They women wearing western dress, working in offices or shops aren't Muslim? The women in villages stoned for letting an ankle show aren't Muslims? Many flavors shaped by the opinions and prejudices of the people, not any god.

Telling a kid he's going to hell is child abuse? I suppose mom telling him she'll break his arm if he doesn't stay out of the cookies is too? Oh boo hoo, if that's the most traumatic thing that happens to him, he's doing better than most. Well, actually worse because he won't be able to handle the real world and will get his ass handed to him.

So when you start that broad brush you're full of shit.

every Christian in the world

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Quite the opposite.
My definition was quite narrow. Try actually reading it.
The AU is owned and run by Christians, it is the largest organization promoting the separation of church and state and MANY christians do not believe in hell, and many who do don't use it as mental torture on kids.
Yes, if you tell a kid that you will break their arm it is no different than telling anyone else the same thing, it is assault.
You don't want to believe I've studied religions, all of them, for over twenty years and went to seminary prep... good for you.
I'm sorry you are so angry and in pain and need to share it, I am.
If the religious want to believe what they want and be bigoted, cool, as long as they don't act on it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YOIImOoYM

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So when you start that broad brush you're full of shit.

that has to be a Hall of Fame statement.

[elSicomoro]

Folks, the only sensible worship is that of the whale penis. Someday, you'll all finally get it.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I have no issue with religion.
The degrading of the separation of church and state and the stepping-up of the bigotry against non-christians and the non-religious and one aspect of religion, teaching children that if they sin they will go to hell, which is child abuse, and using religion to further other forms of bigotry like racism/homophobia/misogynism are things I am against and enjoy discussing.
As long as someone does not use their religion to harm others... no sweat.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

?
[Quite the opposite.
My definition was quite narrow. Try actually reading it.

Religion and against non-Christians, is pretty narrow? Yeah, right.

The AU is owned and run by Christians, it is the largest organization promoting the separation of church and state and MANY christians do not believe in hell, and many who do don't use it as mental torture on kids.
Yes, if you tell a kid that you will break their arm it is no different than telling anyone else the same thing, it is assault.

Show me AU in your post? Assault? mental torture? your theatrical training shines through, is that what it is when you don't allow your kid to touch you?

You don't want to believe I've studied religions, all of them, for over twenty years and went to seminary prep... good for you.

I didn't say you didn't study them, I said you're fooling yourself if you think you understand every flavor of any religion. Seminary prep? how does that differ from acting prep?

I'm sorry you are so angry and in pain and need to share it, I am.

You're sorry I'm sick of your bigotry? Acting again I see.

If the religious want to believe what they want and be bigoted, cool, as long as they don't act on it.

That's great advice, why don't you follow it?

[elSicomoro]

Wow...I don't think I've ever seen Bruce go at a particular person like this before. It's kinda weird.

I love it when people bring acting up, as though those who have training in acting are immoral or automatically liars and/or incapable of speaking plainly.
It is very telling and shows that they cannot address the argument directly. It is a "look over here" tactic and sad.

I know sycamore, I think he has a crush on me... I'm flattered.

It is not PC to "respect" religious thinking over reason... makes no sense. It should be held to the same standard as anything else.
If someone states anything else that is equally difficult to show no one hesitates to call them on it. Why religion? Makes no sense.
When someone states that the holocaust did not happen, it is a belief of theirs... why not "respect their beliefs"? Is it not wrong to question that and "take it away from them"? Big bad meanies!
No, reason over PC BS, teach the next generation to question everything.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I love it when people bring acting up, as though those who have training in acting are immoral or automatically liars and/or incapable of speaking plainly.
It is very telling and shows that they cannot address the argument directly. It is a "look over here" tactic and sad.

Fuck you, nice try, but that diversion won't work any more than the Seminary prep fools anyone into thinking you have any credentials on religion.

I know sycamore, I think he has a crush on me... I'm flattered.

Excellent idea..... crush would be appropriate treatment for a bigoted asshole like you.

It is not PC to "respect" religious thinking over reason... makes no sense. It should be held to the same standard as anything else.
If someone states anything else that is equally difficult to show no one hesitates to call them on it. Why religion? Makes no sense.
When someone states that the holocaust did not happen, it is a belief of theirs... why not "respect their beliefs"? Is it not wrong to question that and "take it away from them"? Big bad meanies!
No, reason over PC BS, teach the next generation to question everything.

You want to teach the next generation what you believe, but deny the parents to do the same.
You want to use your logic because you're such a self centered asshole you think only your conclusions are true. You're such a bigot nobody else is smart enough to question your position.
Love the way you brought up questioning the existence of the Holocaust, which 99% of the know is true, to back up your bullshit rants on religion. But alas, people aren't as stupid as you treat them, they'll see through that diversion, too.

[Dagney]

While I don't disagree with the discussion of religious topics here, I certainly think some folks would get better mileage with the creation of their own blog, or perhaps the re-establishment of the 'blog-type' area we had a few years ago.