"Our Freedom" Defended (after 9/11)

El Veto-Voter · 09-10-2016, 10:11 PM

It is almost 9/11/2016 (in some time zones it is already). In memoriam I thought it proper to start a thread on its effects on the world, society, and especially "Our Freedom".

Immediately after the 911 attacks, President GW Bush said that "our freedom" had been attacked and that "our freedom" would be defended.

In order to defend our freedom he then took it away and locked it up tight (The Patriot Act).

Freedom is not like gold. You can't protect it in a vault.

BigV · 09-12-2016, 03:20 PM

Clearest and most valid post yet, EV-V.

sexobon · 09-12-2016, 04:18 PM

Bush had heard that freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

tw · 09-13-2016, 08:18 AM

Apparently he heard it on the radio when told, by Rev. Billy Sol Hargis of the First Church of the Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship for the Salvation of your Soul, to put his hand on the radio. And say Halleluia !!! That revelation only comes from the radios in the vicinity of Del Rio, Texas. Say Halleluia. Say Amen.

Undertoad · 09-13-2016, 09:54 AM

In order to fully comprehend this thread I have to ask El Veto-Voter which freedoms have specifically been taken.

As a plainly outrageous example, did the Federal Government require you to quarter troops in your residence without your consent?

Or was it more subversive: to use a less unlikely example, did statements by public officials make you personally afraid of publicly stating your opinion?

tw · 09-13-2016, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

... I have to ask El Veto-Voter which freedoms have specifically been taken.

Ignoring an obvious one -

Quote:

... the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Scalia said the Constitution does not grant right of privacy. So yes, which rights (or freedoms) are on this list?

sexobon · 09-13-2016, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV

Clearest and most valid post yet, EV-V.

You're just saying that because the username contains big Vs.

El Veto-Voter · 09-18-2016, 05:27 PM

When I was a child, many years ago, I had a little squirrel that I dearly loved. One day in an emergency I accidentally stepped on my little squirrel. Then I didn't have a little squirrel anymore.

It seems that whenever there is an emergency, those who love freedom the most, accidentally step on it.

That has been the history of wars and emergencies throughout the ages.

sexobon · 09-18-2016, 05:50 PM

You squirrel killing bastard, my squirrel died at the WTC on 9/11 trying to lead people to safety through the smoke and rubble ... it was a hero!

09-10-2016, 10:11 PM	#1
El Veto-Voter Lead Subordinate Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 15	"Our Freedom" Defended (after 9/11) It is almost 9/11/2016 (in some time zones it is already). In memoriam I thought it proper to start a thread on its effects on the world, society, and especially "Our Freedom". Immediately after the 911 attacks, President GW Bush said that "our freedom" had been attacked and that "our freedom" would be defended. In order to defend our freedom he then took it away and locked it up tight (The Patriot Act). Freedom is not like gold. You can't protect it in a vault. __________________ El Veto-Voter No one in power represents me. I give my approval to none of them. My reasons are at HaltVote.com.

09-12-2016, 03:20 PM	#2
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Clearest and most valid post yet, EV-V. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

09-18-2016, 05:27 PM	#8
El Veto-Voter Lead Subordinate Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 15	When I was a child, many years ago, I had a little squirrel that I dearly loved. One day in an emergency I accidentally stepped on my little squirrel. Then I didn't have a little squirrel anymore. It seems that whenever there is an emergency, those who love freedom the most, accidentally step on it. That has been the history of wars and emergencies throughout the ages. __________________ El Veto-Voter No one in power represents me. I give my approval to none of them. My reasons are at HaltVote.com.

09-12-2016, 04:18 PM	#3
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Bush had heard that freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

09-13-2016, 08:18 AM	#4
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Apparently he heard it on the radio when told, by Rev. Billy Sol Hargis of the First Church of the Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship for the Salvation of your Soul, to put his hand on the radio. And say Halleluia !!! That revelation only comes from the radios in the vicinity of Del Rio, Texas. Say Halleluia. Say Amen.

09-13-2016, 09:54 AM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	In order to fully comprehend this thread I have to ask El Veto-Voter which freedoms have specifically been taken. As a plainly outrageous example, did the Federal Government require you to quarter troops in your residence without your consent? Or was it more subversive: to use a less unlikely example, did statements by public officials make you personally afraid of publicly stating your opinion?

09-18-2016, 05:50 PM	#9
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	You squirrel killing bastard, my squirrel died at the WTC on 9/11 trying to lead people to safety through the smoke and rubble ... it was a hero!

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