Troll Presidential Candidates

[El Veto-Voter]

Troll Presidential Candidates:

Conservative Hillary is Dem; Progressive Trump is Rep; Really? Give us a break!

Wow! What a wacky lineup!

On the "LIBERAL" side, we have a long-time establishment politician who has supported just about everything that her followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you all know it. It includes war, corporate bailouts, special interests, terrorism and anti-terrorism of various sorts, pay-to-play political corruption... all the things that "LIBERALS" are supposed to be against.

On the "CONSERVATIVE" side, we have a long-time liberal donor who has supported just about everything that his followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you can find it with a little research. It includes special favors for large corporations (his), government land grabs (eminent domain seizures), trade wars and restrictions (as long as it doesn't impact him and his friends), and who knows what else (since what he says changes from soundbite to soundbite).
If either were on a forum acting that way, they would immediately be called out for being a troll. But, because they have big money and big connections and huge special interest groups, they are each the hero of their respective movements.

It seems like sometime in the past some comedian (maybe Woody Allen) came up with this idea and pitched it as a "totally hilarious movie idea..." and the Hollywood producers turned it down as just too ridiculous to be credible with their audiences. Then some political activist got ahold of it and said, "just because it's too bizarre for a movie doesn't mean the voting public won't eat it up!"

So, we have Hillary Trump, the movie, presented to us as if it were real life.

Not Sorry Folks, but I'm not that gullible.

I refuse to let such silliness cause me to go around flapping that "the sky is falling".

Whoever wins, it will be a sad but hilarious time for America.
I expect to have a lot of laughs over their antics, both during the election and afterwards.

If the winner doesn't start a nuclear war or other major catastrophe, I can say, "see the sky didn't fall". If they do something really horrible (which seems quite likely for either of them) I can say, "don't blame me, I don't support that system".

Of course bad things will result from either of them being elected. The main difference I see is that those who vote for either are enablers to the system and thereby share responsibility in the outcome, whatever it is, while those who don't vote, are not responsible for whatever happens.

Sure, some people think that "you're not responsible..." is a put-down. It may be, depending on the circumstances. "You're not responsible for taking care of yourself..." is definitely not good (except to those who want to control you by taking care of you). "You're not responsible for this crime..." is definitely good.

Voting is taking responsibility for the crimes of the winners and the whole political system.

I am happy to be responsible for myself and my family. I refuse to take responsibility for a political system that is out of control and ruled by lunatics.

If you disagree feel free to vote. It's your conscience.

[classicman]

Not voting is still making a choice. You do not get a clear conscience by doing nothing.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Not voting is still making a choice.

No voting is how to tell politicians that only extremists matter. Ignore all moderates.

Even if you go to a poll but do not check off any candidates, that says to the victor that he must pay more attention to (what should be) a majority - the moderates.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by El Veto-Voter

... I am happy to be responsible for myself and my family. I refuse to take responsibility for a political system that is out of control and ruled by lunatics. ...

You don't get a choice in the matter. Whether you vote; or, abstain, you're responsible for the outcome. Abstaining constitutes your express consent to let others make the decision for you. You are legally, morally, and ethically responsible for the outcome and its ramifications; unless, you revoke your citizenship, become a felon, acquire dementia or otherwise become ineligible to vote.

By denying responsibility for whatever goes wrong you're behaving just like the politicians you disparage. A bit like the pot calling the kettle black. You're full of hot air much like your kindred spirits in government and as an attention whore are unworthy of any further consideration since you're not running for office.

Have a nice day citizen (I use the term lightly).

[henry quirk]

Speakin' only for me: I vote NOTA in the only way available to me (by not the voting). Put a binding NOTA option on every ballot of every election and watch me be first in line every time.

[sexobon]

More power for my vote, thank you.

[henry quirk]

Not really...I'm voting in a conscious, deliberate way, in a way that makes sense to me.

Worry about the folks who vote as reaction, without thinkin'. Worry about the folks who vote for rulers, not employees. Worry about the folks who vote cuz they want what you have, or who want you to live as they do. Mostly, worry about the folks who vote in resignation, believing that *'the lesser' is the best they've got.

Me: I want good employees, not crappy directors.









*the less evil, the less incompetent, the less mediocre

[sexobon]

Yes, really. If you're not completing a ballot, you're not casting a vote, you're just making a statement. The statement is that others will make the tough decisions for you. You're welcome.

[henry quirk]

Ah, I see, the piece of paper (the ballot) makes it 'real' for you.

Good on you...you've been trained well.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[sexobon]

Well, I get to agree or disagree.

No vote, no count.

Thanks again for your 'real' power.

[henry quirk]

Hey, I get it...when your only direction comes by way of acting in concert with others, you go with what you got.

Being told what to do can be liberating (from self-responsibility) I guess.

To each his own.

'nuff said.

[sexobon]

You don't have a leg to stand on; so, you're sitting it out.

Let's take a 2 party vote on if there's been 'nuff said:

sexobon - No, henry quirk - Abstain

Sorry henry, thanks for your power.

You may now proceed with all the statements you wish to make. Oh, you can't, you believe there's been 'nuff said.

I, OTOH, don't have any such constraints. It's good to be the voter.

[Undertoad]

Let's apply it to the Moderator vote

most Dwellars did not vote for a Moderator as they felt things were okay and it wasn't necessary to take action

[sexobon]

Moderators don't have a limited number of terms. Apples and oranges.

[henry quirk]

sex,

Yep, 'nuff said, by me, on this subject, to you.

We disagree, aren't liable to move each other from our positions, so: 'nuff said.

You think I'm wrong; I think you're wrong...what's left to say?

Nuthin'