I feel like I've been eaten by a coyote and shit off a cliff - Page 2

jinx · 08-22-2010, 05:58 PM

I think for a while there, people were really pushing the GSE and it grew in popularity as an alternative to Goldenseal, which was being over harvested and is now endangered (or was at least).

Stick with the bleach...

Clodfobble · 08-22-2010, 06:15 PM

And what does Wikipedia say about putting diluted bleach up your nose?

Most of the refuting studies are different versions of "it only works because" [of additional antimicrobial substances included in the commercially-available mixtures] which still can, of course, be shortened to "it works."

squirell nutkin · 08-22-2010, 06:41 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#...obial_efficacy

Quote:

Antimicrobial efficacy

The broad-spectrum effectiveness of bleach, particularly sodium hypochlorite, owes to the nature of its chemical reactivity with microbes. Rather than acting in an inhibitory or toxic fashion in the manner of antibiotics, bleach quickly reacts with microbial cells to irreversibly denature and destroy many pathogens. Bleach, particularly sodium hypochlorite has been shown to react with a microbe's heat shock proteins, stimulating their role as intra-cellular chaperone and causing the bacteria to form into clumps (much like an egg that has been boiled) that will eventually die off. In some cases, bleach's base acidity compromises a bacterium's lipid membrane, a reaction similar to popping a balloon. The range of micro-organisms effectively killed by bleach (particularly sodium hypochlorite) is extensive, making it an extremely versatile disinfectant.

In response to infection, the human immune system will produce a strong oxidizer, hypochlorous acid, to kill bacterial invaders.

We typically use 1/2t per gallon to clean fruits and veggies. 10 min. soak in bleach water followed by 10 min soak in plain water. Got this from Paul Pitchford's book (wherein he also touts GFE)

In addition to destroying microbes, the bleach also oxidizes pesticide residues.

Clodfobble · 08-22-2010, 06:49 PM

Oh sure, I use a 10% bleach solution to clean my cutting board. It's not gonna kill you. I was just thinking maybe your nasal membranes might be a little more sensitive and you'd end up with a wicked burn, but I could be paranoid owing to the fact that my nose bleeds if you so much as sneeze at it (nyuck nyuck nyuck...) I had never heard about the pesticide residue thing though, that's good to know.

spudcon · 08-22-2010, 07:14 PM

Chlorine is poison, and applying it to mucous membranes has got to be disastrous.

squirell nutkin · 08-22-2010, 07:48 PM

Unless my math is really wacky (high probability) 1/2t per gallon works out to a .13% solution, a lot more mellow than cutting board cleaning. Still, I'm only thinking about it...

Aliantha · 08-22-2010, 08:03 PM

I use bleach to clean my toilet. I can't imagine snorting it even if it is diluted. I have never heard of using it to clean fruit or veges with either.

Man you yankees do some weird stuff.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-22-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin

Unless my math is really wacky (high probability) 1/2t per gallon works out to a .13% solution,...

And then dilute with 1400 cubic feet of air.

kerosene · 08-23-2010, 03:02 PM

I breathe heavy bleach almost daily. I probably should stop doing that. Of course, that would mean people's toilets and showers wouldn't be quite so sparkly.

Undertoad · 08-23-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

Chlorine is poison, and applying it to mucous membranes has got to be disastrous.

Luckily the chlorine is in the form of an ion bonded to other ions in the form of a molecule.

monster · 08-31-2010, 11:28 AM

McDonalds bleach-wash their lettuce, don't they?

jinx · 08-31-2010, 11:31 AM

I think they just wipe it off with an ammonia patty.

BrianR · 09-02-2010, 10:05 AM

Oh, just take a vacation to lovely Wyoming fer Chrissake!

It was 40 deg in Evanston last week and I went through a little freezing rain out Fort Bridger way too. I expect snow on top of the mountains this trip.

The plants are already going dormant for the winter and I have almost NO symptoms of hay fever up there. Just remember to come home by Halloween.

08-22-2010, 05:58 PM	#16
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I think for a while there, people were really pushing the GSE and it grew in popularity as an alternative to Goldenseal, which was being over harvested and is now endangered (or was at least). Stick with the bleach... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	And what does Wikipedia say about putting diluted bleach up your nose? Most of the refuting studies are different versions of "it only works because" [of additional antimicrobial substances included in the commercially-available mixtures] which still can, of course, be shortened to "it works." __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-22-2010, 06:49 PM	#19
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Oh sure, I use a 10% bleach solution to clean my cutting board. It's not gonna kill you. I was just thinking maybe your nasal membranes might be a little more sensitive and you'd end up with a wicked burn, but I could be paranoid owing to the fact that my nose bleeds if you so much as sneeze at it (nyuck nyuck nyuck...) I had never heard about the pesticide residue thing though, that's good to know. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

08-22-2010, 07:14 PM	#20
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Chlorine is poison, and applying it to mucous membranes has got to be disastrous. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

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squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	Unless my math is really wacky (high probability) 1/2t per gallon works out to a .13% solution, a lot more mellow than cutting board cleaning. Still, I'm only thinking about it... __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

08-22-2010, 08:03 PM	#22
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I use bleach to clean my toilet. I can't imagine snorting it even if it is diluted. I have never heard of using it to clean fruit or veges with either. Man you yankees do some weird stuff. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

08-23-2010, 03:02 PM	#24
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	I breathe heavy bleach almost daily. I probably should stop doing that. Of course, that would mean people's toilets and showers wouldn't be quite so sparkly.

08-31-2010, 11:28 AM	#26
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	McDonalds bleach-wash their lettuce, don't they? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

08-31-2010, 11:31 AM	#27
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I think they just wipe it off with an ammonia patty. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

09-02-2010, 10:05 AM	#28
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Oh, just take a vacation to lovely Wyoming fer Chrissake! It was 40 deg in Evanston last week and I went through a little freezing rain out Fort Bridger way too. I expect snow on top of the mountains this trip. The plants are already going dormant for the winter and I have almost NO symptoms of hay fever up there. Just remember to come home by Halloween. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

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