Not a shady character????

justmehere99 · 11-13-2005, 10:32 PM

Pa. Teen Reported Seized; Parents Killed

LITITZ, Pa. - A 14-year-old girl was missing after her parents were shot to death in their home Sunday morning, and authorities were searching for her 18-year-old boyfriend, who reportedly abducted her at gunpoint.

Michael and Cathryn Borden, both 50, were found shot to death shortly after 8 a.m., Lititz Police Chief William Seace said.

The couple's 9-year-old son, David, the youngest of five children, had fled to the home of neighbors, who called 911, Seace said. An older daughter still living at home and two adult sons were also safe, he said.

But Kara Beth Borden, 14, was missing. Police said she was last seen that morning at the family's home in Warwick Township, about 60 miles west of Philadelphia, and was reportedly abducted at gunpoint by David G. Ludwig, 18.

"The young girl was out during the night, came home, and her parents confronted her. From what we understand, he came to the house," Seace said.

"We don't know whether she has been abducted or is willingly a part of this," Seace said, but he added that until they can determine otherwise, police are operating on the assumption that Kara had been kidnapped.

Stephanie Mannon, a 16-year-old friend who had worked with Ludwig, said he and Kara had been seeing each other secretly.

"Their parents didn't approve of them being together" because of the age difference, she said. "It wasn't because he was a shady character, because he wasn't."

The Borden family had lived in the home in the normally quiet community for several years, said neighbor Tod Sherman, 47. Mike Borden worked for a printing company, and the children were home-school, he said.

Sherman said the family knew Ludwig through a home-schooling network and he had occasionally seen the teen at their home.

Sunday morning, neighbors woke to the sound of an ambulance and a phone call from Lancaster County emergency management officials warning them to stay inside.

Neighbor John Hohman, 40, said he looked out a window after getting the call and saw police running through the neighborhood. About an hour and a half later, he said, authorities told residents to go to their basements and wait until further notice.

"We were really upset. We didn't know what was going on," Hohman said.

Hohman described Kara, who sometimes baby-sat for his family, as "a very nice girl."

Sherman described her father as "very smart and focused, a nice guy."

"They were super people," he said.

Griff · 11-14-2005, 05:42 AM

We talked about this situation in the parenting thread a while back but didn't really talk about this possibility. Awful...

Trilby · 11-14-2005, 07:03 AM

Sounds like that Starkweather case in the fifties. Boyfriend was a complete psycho.

wolf · 11-14-2005, 10:24 AM

My money's on the girl planned it, and manipulated the boyfriend into executing it.

This is the stuff that Lifetime movies are made of people!

(I heard about this last night and relaxed only after establishing that I hadn't taken any phone calls last week about any situations that were remotely similar, and everybody was outside of my jurisdiction.)

cjjulie · 11-14-2005, 12:05 PM

I hope your wrong Wolf....but you never know nowadays. If she was a willing participant, how awful for her siblings to have to deal with something as horific as that. How quickly things can change.....it is sad

xoxoxoBruce · 11-14-2005, 06:24 PM

Some guys get a little nuts when you try to take away their newly acquired "young blood".
I'm guessing the parents threatened him with statutory rape and he freaked out.

Griff · 11-14-2005, 06:58 PM

They got him

cjjulie · 11-15-2005, 07:33 PM

Girl is still missing....last I knew

11-15-2005, 07:43 PM

It says in Griff's link that the girl was with Ludwig when he was apprehended. Where do you get that she is still missing?

wolf · 11-17-2005, 10:41 AM

She has also been returned to Pennsylvania, and is currently being treated as a "victim."

My friend who is a supervisor with CYS agrees with my theory.

11-13-2005, 10:32 PM	#1
justmehere99 Expectorant Inspector Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Somewhere In Pennsylvania Posts: 31	Not a shady character???? Pa. Teen Reported Seized; Parents Killed LITITZ, Pa. - A 14-year-old girl was missing after her parents were shot to death in their home Sunday morning, and authorities were searching for her 18-year-old boyfriend, who reportedly abducted her at gunpoint. Michael and Cathryn Borden, both 50, were found shot to death shortly after 8 a.m., Lititz Police Chief William Seace said. The couple's 9-year-old son, David, the youngest of five children, had fled to the home of neighbors, who called 911, Seace said. An older daughter still living at home and two adult sons were also safe, he said. But Kara Beth Borden, 14, was missing. Police said she was last seen that morning at the family's home in Warwick Township, about 60 miles west of Philadelphia, and was reportedly abducted at gunpoint by David G. Ludwig, 18. "The young girl was out during the night, came home, and her parents confronted her. From what we understand, he came to the house," Seace said. "We don't know whether she has been abducted or is willingly a part of this," Seace said, but he added that until they can determine otherwise, police are operating on the assumption that Kara had been kidnapped. Stephanie Mannon, a 16-year-old friend who had worked with Ludwig, said he and Kara had been seeing each other secretly. "Their parents didn't approve of them being together" because of the age difference, she said. "It wasn't because he was a shady character, because he wasn't." The Borden family had lived in the home in the normally quiet community for several years, said neighbor Tod Sherman, 47. Mike Borden worked for a printing company, and the children were home-school, he said. Sherman said the family knew Ludwig through a home-schooling network and he had occasionally seen the teen at their home. Sunday morning, neighbors woke to the sound of an ambulance and a phone call from Lancaster County emergency management officials warning them to stay inside. Neighbor John Hohman, 40, said he looked out a window after getting the call and saw police running through the neighborhood. About an hour and a half later, he said, authorities told residents to go to their basements and wait until further notice. "We were really upset. We didn't know what was going on," Hohman said. Hohman described Kara, who sometimes baby-sat for his family, as "a very nice girl." Sherman described her father as "very smart and focused, a nice guy." "They were super people," he said.

11-14-2005, 05:42 AM	#2
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	We talked about this situation in the parenting thread a while back but didn't really talk about this possibility. Awful... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-14-2005, 07:03 AM	#3
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Sounds like that Starkweather case in the fifties. Boyfriend was a complete psycho. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-14-2005, 10:24 AM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	My money's on the girl planned it, and manipulated the boyfriend into executing it. This is the stuff that Lifetime movies are made of people! (I heard about this last night and relaxed only after establishing that I hadn't taken any phone calls last week about any situations that were remotely similar, and everybody was outside of my jurisdiction.) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-14-2005, 12:05 PM	#5
cjjulie Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: CT Posts: 201	I hope your wrong Wolf....but you never know nowadays. If she was a willing participant, how awful for her siblings to have to deal with something as horific as that. How quickly things can change.....it is sad __________________ Fun,Fearless,Female

11-14-2005, 06:24 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Some guys get a little nuts when you try to take away their newly acquired "young blood". I'm guessing the parents threatened him with statutory rape and he freaked out. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-14-2005, 06:58 PM	#7
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	They got him __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-15-2005, 07:33 PM	#8
cjjulie Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: CT Posts: 201	Girl is still missing....last I knew __________________ Fun,Fearless,Female

11-15-2005, 07:43 PM	#9
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	It says in Griff's link that the girl was with Ludwig when he was apprehended. Where do you get that she is still missing?

11-17-2005, 10:41 AM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	She has also been returned to Pennsylvania, and is currently being treated as a "victim." My friend who is a supervisor with CYS agrees with my theory. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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