Say goodbye to new TV... - Page 8

Drax · 11-28-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

ALL

My bad. I overlooked that part.

Aliantha · 11-28-2007, 07:28 PM

Drax...when will you ever learn?

Drax · 11-28-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Drax...when will you ever learn?

Slowly, but surely.

Aliantha · 11-28-2007, 07:35 PM

I feel I need to warn you that if you go any slower you'll be going backwards.

classicman · 11-28-2007, 07:36 PM

And less time wasted watching TV will afford you more time to be here on the cellar learning all sorts of things!

Shawnee123 · 11-29-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Drax

Slowly, but surely.

Ok, but stop calling me Shirley.

Drax · 12-20-2007, 09:18 PM

Ok, gotta bit a news here from the strike watch blog @ TVGuide.com:

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This just in from NBC:

"After two months of repeats, The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and Late Night with Conan O'Brien will resume broadcasting all-new episodes beginning Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2008. The late-night shows suspended production due to the strike by the Writers Guild of America on Nov. 5 and have aired repeats since.

See above link for more.

Clodfobble · 12-20-2007, 09:48 PM

If'n you want news...

Comedy Central is forcing The Daily Show and The Colbert Report to return as well, on January 7th (with no writers.) The official press quote from the two of them is: “We would like to return to work with our writers. If we cannot, we would like to express our ambivalence, but without our writers we are unable to express something as nuanced as ambivalence.” — Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert

Meanwhile, David Letterman has made a bold move by attempting to sign an individual deal with the WGA to bring the writers back to his show on the terms they want. He can do this because his production company, Worldwide Pants Inc., completely owns the rights to his show, and the network can't stop him. There haven't been any agreements made yet, but it's an interesting slap in the face to the AMPTP.

Also, here's an excellent Huffington Post writeup of why the AMPTP should in fact be prosecuted as a grossly illegal monopoly.

busterb · 12-20-2007, 10:31 PM

Well that just makes my day!! BTW that shot is for whom ever needs it. Or who.

Happy Monkey · 12-21-2007, 10:07 AM

How many are left?

lookout123 · 12-21-2007, 10:16 AM

why don't these cheat sheets ever include Life? it is the only new show i actually bother to DVR so i can watch each week.

smoothmoniker · 12-21-2007, 11:42 AM

Radar, you're mistaken about the transitive property of rights here. Yes, wages should be determined solely by the two parties making an agreement - employer and employee. Yet, either party has the right to empower someone else to negotiate those terms for them. My authority to negotiate terms is transitive, so I can loan it to someone else who will then act on my behalf, like an athlete would with an agent.

For guild writers, they have decided to collectively cede their right to negotiate to a single agent (the WGA), in order to strengthen their position. There is nothing in this transaction that violates the principle of free enterprise.

Furthermore, the right of any two person to enter an agreement for work has no meaning, unless coupled with a right NOT to work if one of the two parties does not agree with the terms. This has to be a core libertarian principle.

Now, I'd agree with you if you find fault with the restrictions placed on corporations when negotiating with the WGA - they ought to be free to fire and replace whomever they wish, including striking workers. They have to have a free hand in the negotiations, just as the unions do.

But everything up until that point? Collective bargaining, work stoppage, asking for residuals, being free to set conditions under which one is willing to work, that's all free enterprise. That's libertarian bliss, baby.

Clodfobble · 01-03-2008, 05:54 PM

January 7th is almost here! While I know that a return of shows, even without writers, is not the best thing for resolving the strike, for purely selfish purposes I still must do a little celebration dance.

Shawnee123 · 01-07-2008, 02:51 PM

I heard on the news that "after the holiday break, members of the WGA will resume their strike."

What? They were on break from being on break? What do you do when you're on break from a strike, work for a couple days?

I know I'm going to hear all about the mechanisms of striking, but it struck me as funny.

Clodfobble · 01-07-2008, 02:55 PM

Yeah, what they really meant was they will resume picketing the studios. Kind of pointless protesting outside an empty building.

11-28-2007, 07:28 PM	#107
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Drax...when will you ever learn? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-28-2007, 07:35 PM	#109
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I feel I need to warn you that if you go any slower you'll be going backwards. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-20-2007, 10:31 PM	#114
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Well that just makes my day!! BTW that shot is for whom ever needs it. Or who. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

12-21-2007, 10:07 AM	#115
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	How many are left? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-21-2007, 10:16 AM	#116
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	why don't these cheat sheets ever include Life? it is the only new show i actually bother to DVR so i can watch each week. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

11-28-2007, 07:36 PM	#110
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	And less time wasted watching TV will afford you more time to be here on the cellar learning all sorts of things!

12-20-2007, 09:48 PM	#113
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	If'n you want news... Comedy Central is forcing The Daily Show and The Colbert Report to return as well, on January 7th (with no writers.) The official press quote from the two of them is: “We would like to return to work with our writers. If we cannot, we would like to express our ambivalence, but without our writers we are unable to express something as nuanced as ambivalence.” — Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Meanwhile, David Letterman has made a bold move by attempting to sign an individual deal with the WGA to bring the writers back to his show on the terms they want. He can do this because his production company, Worldwide Pants Inc., completely owns the rights to his show, and the network can't stop him. There haven't been any agreements made yet, but it's an interesting slap in the face to the AMPTP. Also, here's an excellent Huffington Post writeup of why the AMPTP should in fact be prosecuted as a grossly illegal monopoly.

12-21-2007, 11:42 AM	#117
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	Radar, you're mistaken about the transitive property of rights here. Yes, wages should be determined solely by the two parties making an agreement - employer and employee. Yet, either party has the right to empower someone else to negotiate those terms for them. My authority to negotiate terms is transitive, so I can loan it to someone else who will then act on my behalf, like an athlete would with an agent. For guild writers, they have decided to collectively cede their right to negotiate to a single agent (the WGA), in order to strengthen their position. There is nothing in this transaction that violates the principle of free enterprise. Furthermore, the right of any two person to enter an agreement for work has no meaning, unless coupled with a right NOT to work if one of the two parties does not agree with the terms. This has to be a core libertarian principle. Now, I'd agree with you if you find fault with the restrictions placed on corporations when negotiating with the WGA - they ought to be free to fire and replace whomever they wish, including striking workers. They have to have a free hand in the negotiations, just as the unions do. But everything up until that point? Collective bargaining, work stoppage, asking for residuals, being free to set conditions under which one is willing to work, that's all free enterprise. That's libertarian bliss, baby. __________________ to live and die in LA Last edited by smoothmoniker; 12-21-2007 at 11:53 AM. Reason: opps! finger slip, published early

01-03-2008, 05:54 PM	#118
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	January 7th is almost here! While I know that a return of shows, even without writers, is not the best thing for resolving the strike, for purely selfish purposes I still must do a little celebration dance.

01-07-2008, 02:51 PM	#119
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I heard on the news that "after the holiday break, members of the WGA will resume their strike." What? They were on break from being on break? What do you do when you're on break from a strike, work for a couple days? I know I'm going to hear all about the mechanisms of striking, but it struck me as funny.

01-07-2008, 02:55 PM	#120
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Yeah, what they really meant was they will resume picketing the studios. Kind of pointless protesting outside an empty building.

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