Safety Tip ?

busterb · 02-15-2006, 10:08 AM

I cut this from one of the wonderful emails we all get. Seems bs to me.
How can your speed increase if wheels have no traction?

NEVER DRIVE IN THE RAIN WITH YOUR CRUISE CONTROL ON. She had thought she
was being cautious by setting the cruise control and
maintaining a safe consistent speed in the rain.

But the highway patrolman told her that if the
cruise control is on and your car begins to hydroplane --
when your tires lose contact with the pavement, your
car will accelerate to a higher rate of speed and you
take off like an airplane. She told the patrolman that
was exactly what had occurred.

The highway patrol estimated her car was actually
traveling through the air at 10 to 15 miles per hour
faster than the speed set on the cruise control.

Happy Monkey · 02-15-2006, 11:34 AM

I think the idea is that the wheels start spinning real fast when they have no traction, and then when they gain traction the car lurches forward. Sounds reasonable, but I'm no expert.

glatt · 02-15-2006, 11:48 AM

I don't buy it.

There is feedback from the speedo to maintain the proper speed. As soon as the car got traction again, the cruise control would go back to normal.

seakdivers · 02-15-2006, 12:57 PM

It doesn't sound right. The wheels would be spinning at the same speed whether there was traction or not, right?
Hmm.....

02-15-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt

I don't buy it.

There is feedback from the speedo to maintain the proper speed. As soon as the car got traction again, the cruise control would go back to normal.

Actually, wouldn't the cruise control just turn itself off? I know it does if you apply more gas to accelerate. Is cruise control dependent on the gas pedal or brakes being hit or is it how fast the wheels are spinning? I know if I have cruise control on and I start climbing a steep grade in my little 4 banger, the cruise control turns itself off without my doing anything.

wolf · 02-15-2006, 01:09 PM

Your cruise control is defective if it's doing that. It should adjust for increases and decreases in grade, up to a point. If you're going up the side of a fucking mountain, your speed should be below the 45 mph required for cruise control and you shouldn't have it on anyway ... if you're going up and down hills, the vehicle should compensate.

Now, as far as cruise control in the rain ... you're still in control of the vehicle when it's activated. It is not autopilot. As soon as a problem is identified by the driver, ANY of the appropriate corrective measures take over from the cruise control ... braking shuts it down totally, and after accellerating, it automatically would drop back to the set speed, unless the driver brakes or deactivates it. I don't see a problem as far as maintaining control.

02-15-2006, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

Your cruise control is defective if it's doing that. It should adjust for increases and decreases in grade, up to a point. If you're going up the side of a fucking mountain, your speed should be below the 45 mph required for cruise control and you shouldn't have it on anyway ... if you're going up and down hills, the vehicle should compensate.

Obviously, you have never driven in Colorado. Both I-25 and I-70 have stretches that go over passes or up steep grades where the posted speed limit is anywhere from 55mph to 75mph. There is one very long, steep grade on I-25 between the towns of Pueblo and Walsenberg where I have learned its pointless to try to keep the cruise control on. It turns itself off everytime, and I don't think it does this because its defective. My car has a manual transmission, if that makes any diff.

wolf · 02-15-2006, 01:27 PM

If you need to gear down to ascend the hill, you shouldn't use cruise control.

BrianR · 02-15-2006, 04:14 PM

OK Professional opinion here.

Do NOT use your cruise in the rain. You can easily hydroplane and when you do, the car will slow down a bit. That's exactly the wrong time to apply power, which is just what the CC will do, causing you to spin out and lose control. I do not use my CC in the rain, snow or heavy traffic and neither should anyone else. It probably tells you that in your owners manual.

Mountains are a different story as my CC is a bit different than yours. If your actual speed drops more than ten mph or so from your set speed, the CC will drop offline to allow you to take more appropriate action, such as gearing down. My truck will NOT drop offline however. It keeps the power on no matter how much I slow down so that when I crest the hill, I can go right back up to my set speed again. Just in time for the next hill. ETC.

And just for your information, the cruise control unit takes it's data from vacuum and magnetic sensors, not the speedometer. Go to How Stuff Works website to see more info. I'd include the link but Quick Reply doesn't let me, and I'm too lazy to type in the proper codes.

Brian

busterb · 02-15-2006, 04:45 PM

Brian just paste it in. It'll link.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-15-2006, 06:53 PM

If the driven tires lose traction they will speed up. When they do the traction control will slow the engine down. It's reading the speed of the wheels(driveshaft) not the road speed.

BrianR · 02-15-2006, 08:53 PM

If you have traction control that is.

BigV · 02-15-2006, 09:02 PM

People.

You use cruise control when you want to pay less attention to your driving, yes? Then please, for pity's sake, when it's raining, turn off the cruise control, and pay attention.

I don't need to enforce this rule--Darwin has described the penalty for failure.

busterb · 02-15-2006, 09:43 PM

Brian. Is your truck an automatic or do you just lug it down till it stops moving?
It's been years since I drove. 10,11, 13, 15, 4x4, 4x5s ETC. speed transmissions. But sadly no CC. So I guess I'm not up to snuff or understanding what you're saying.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-16-2006, 03:59 AM

Drove the last car 3 years and 3 months on the current one. Both came with cruise control. Don't know if either one worked.

02-15-2006, 10:08 AM	#1
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Safety Tip ? I cut this from one of the wonderful emails we all get. Seems bs to me. How can your speed increase if wheels have no traction? NEVER DRIVE IN THE RAIN WITH YOUR CRUISE CONTROL ON. She had thought she was being cautious by setting the cruise control and maintaining a safe consistent speed in the rain. But the highway patrolman told her that if the cruise control is on and your car begins to hydroplane -- when your tires lose contact with the pavement, your car will accelerate to a higher rate of speed and you take off like an airplane. She told the patrolman that was exactly what had occurred. The highway patrol estimated her car was actually traveling through the air at 10 to 15 miles per hour faster than the speed set on the cruise control. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-15-2006, 11:34 AM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I think the idea is that the wheels start spinning real fast when they have no traction, and then when they gain traction the car lurches forward. Sounds reasonable, but I'm no expert. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-15-2006, 01:09 PM	#6
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Your cruise control is defective if it's doing that. It should adjust for increases and decreases in grade, up to a point. If you're going up the side of a fucking mountain, your speed should be below the 45 mph required for cruise control and you shouldn't have it on anyway ... if you're going up and down hills, the vehicle should compensate. Now, as far as cruise control in the rain ... you're still in control of the vehicle when it's activated. It is not autopilot. As soon as a problem is identified by the driver, ANY of the appropriate corrective measures take over from the cruise control ... braking shuts it down totally, and after accellerating, it automatically would drop back to the set speed, unless the driver brakes or deactivates it. I don't see a problem as far as maintaining control. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-15-2006, 01:27 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	If you need to gear down to ascend the hill, you shouldn't use cruise control. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-15-2006, 04:14 PM	#9
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	OK Professional opinion here. Do NOT use your cruise in the rain. You can easily hydroplane and when you do, the car will slow down a bit. That's exactly the wrong time to apply power, which is just what the CC will do, causing you to spin out and lose control. I do not use my CC in the rain, snow or heavy traffic and neither should anyone else. It probably tells you that in your owners manual. Mountains are a different story as my CC is a bit different than yours. If your actual speed drops more than ten mph or so from your set speed, the CC will drop offline to allow you to take more appropriate action, such as gearing down. My truck will NOT drop offline however. It keeps the power on no matter how much I slow down so that when I crest the hill, I can go right back up to my set speed again. Just in time for the next hill. ETC. And just for your information, the cruise control unit takes it's data from vacuum and magnetic sensors, not the speedometer. Go to How Stuff Works website to see more info. I'd include the link but Quick Reply doesn't let me, and I'm too lazy to type in the proper codes. Brian __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

02-15-2006, 11:48 AM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I don't buy it. There is feedback from the speedo to maintain the proper speed. As soon as the car got traction again, the cruise control would go back to normal.

02-15-2006, 12:57 PM	#4
seakdivers Icy Queen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southeast Alaska Posts: 700	It doesn't sound right. The wheels would be spinning at the same speed whether there was traction or not, right? Hmm.....

02-15-2006, 04:45 PM	#10
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Brian just paste it in. It'll link. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-15-2006, 06:53 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	If the driven tires lose traction they will speed up. When they do the traction control will slow the engine down. It's reading the speed of the wheels(driveshaft) not the road speed. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-15-2006, 08:53 PM	#12
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	If you have traction control that is.

02-15-2006, 09:02 PM	#13
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	People. You use cruise control when you want to pay less attention to your driving, yes? Then please, for pity's sake, when it's raining, turn off the cruise control, and pay attention. I don't need to enforce this rule--Darwin has described the penalty for failure. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-15-2006, 09:43 PM	#14
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Brian. Is your truck an automatic or do you just lug it down till it stops moving? It's been years since I drove. 10,11, 13, 15, 4x4, 4x5s ETC. speed transmissions. But sadly no CC. So I guess I'm not up to snuff or understanding what you're saying. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

02-16-2006, 03:59 AM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Drove the last car 3 years and 3 months on the current one. Both came with cruise control. Don't know if either one worked. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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