State of The Cellar Address 2019

Undertoad · 01-18-2019, 11:00 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, Dwellars and Lurkers, the state of The Cellar is strong.

This is my first address in three years, and hardly necessary, but here it is.

In recent times, we have suffered the death of several of our most notable and active posters. Following each loss, there was a big drop in activity.

We are now sort of at the level where we were in the early 2000s, but with less "churn" of the user base. It's comfortable to have "just us" -- and we should expect this to be the case from here on out, as web forums have dropped off as a way for people to be social online.

In the last address, I suggested that maybe we would transfer to new forum software. We can still do that, if we choose to.

But many people hate new software. This is something that "just is" -- even if the new software is "better", people do not like change as it confuses their routine.

Losing 20% of us now would be sad. Therefore, I made the executive decision not to make any changes.

But at some point, the current software will not even run on newer operating systems and infrastructure; when that happens, it will be necessary to change. This will not be required for a while; at least until the end of next year.

~

I watch the statistics for The Cellar from time to time. In 2018, we enjoyed an increase in the number of posts per month. This was a slow increase; it went from a low point of 1410 posts in October 2017, to 2242 posts in December 2018.

This is far off the numbers we enjoyed in our true heyday, which ended with the popularization of Facebook and other platforms. Our record month was March 2009, in which we had 12131 posts. But over eight years later, we are in a comfortable place, now.

What I have noticed is that people are becoming skeptical of the major social media platforms, and that there is still a role for the web forum. In fact, sometimes old users email me to help reactivate their old accounts. Two such requests this year came from people who were HUGE posters back in the day, but they have not decided to post anything new, at least not yet. It is hard to re-integrate into an old community, just like in real life.

zippyt · 01-18-2019, 11:17 AM

I know i dont post much these days , but thanks Sir Toad for keeping this Bar/Coffie shop / forum going for us all . Nice to have extended family all over the place .

Glinda · 01-18-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's comfortable to have "just us" -- and we should expect this to be the case from here on out, as web forums have dropped off as a way for people to be social online.

In general, I think members of forums like ours enjoy far more actual sociableness (yeah, I made it up) than do the twitterers and basefookers. We have a much denser, more thoughtful, and far more creative content stream, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

What I have noticed is that people are becoming skeptical of the major social media platforms, and that there is still a role for the web forum.

Thanks for this great place to hang out, UT. I love you.

Aw, I love all youse guys.

Griff · 01-18-2019, 01:23 PM

*like*

fargon · 01-18-2019, 01:29 PM

What Griff said.

Flint · 01-18-2019, 01:44 PM

This probably falls under the category of "software update" but what do you think would happen if The Cellar's posts had a "share on Facebook" button?

Griff · 01-18-2019, 01:45 PM

We'd have to quit both.

fargon · 01-18-2019, 01:51 PM

What Griff said.

Glinda · 01-18-2019, 01:56 PM

What Griff and fargon said.

Griff · 01-18-2019, 02:06 PM

What Griff, Fargon, and Glinda said.

DanaC · 01-18-2019, 02:14 PM

What Griff, fargon and Glinda said, and Griff reiterated.

DanaC · 01-18-2019, 02:20 PM

I don't post as much as I used to - but then I used to work from home and intermittently:P

I still check in most days and from time to time have a flurry of posts

Facebook on the other hand exists purely as a way to log into some apps. I lost access to the account I started in 2006 - and recently opened a new account for logging in purposes. I haven't made a single post or added a single friend or update.

i don't think I've even logged into Twitter in about 2 years - and even before that I only used to post once in a blue moon.

If I'mma sociallise online, it will be here.

Thanks UT for keeping the virtual roof over our heads

Happy Monkey · 01-18-2019, 04:47 PM

UT: You may find this interesting.

Flint · 01-18-2019, 05:35 PM

I mean.. what do you think would happen?

Undertoad · 01-18-2019, 05:55 PM

Many people would then post about the item on FB, ignoring the Cellar thread.

The Cellar would then become nothing but a source of ad-supported material for a pretty stupid big silicon valley corporation.

Then, without a community contributing to it, the Cellar dies. The only (remaining) purpose for this place is the community.

01-18-2019, 11:00 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	State of The Cellar Address 2019 Ladies and Gentlemen, Dwellars and Lurkers, the state of The Cellar is strong. This is my first address in three years, and hardly necessary, but here it is. In recent times, we have suffered the death of several of our most notable and active posters. Following each loss, there was a big drop in activity. We are now sort of at the level where we were in the early 2000s, but with less "churn" of the user base. It's comfortable to have "just us" -- and we should expect this to be the case from here on out, as web forums have dropped off as a way for people to be social online. In the last address, I suggested that maybe we would transfer to new forum software. We can still do that, if we choose to. But many people hate new software. This is something that "just is" -- even if the new software is "better", people do not like change as it confuses their routine. Losing 20% of us now would be sad. Therefore, I made the executive decision not to make any changes. But at some point, the current software will not even run on newer operating systems and infrastructure; when that happens, it will be necessary to change. This will not be required for a while; at least until the end of next year. ~ I watch the statistics for The Cellar from time to time. In 2018, we enjoyed an increase in the number of posts per month. This was a slow increase; it went from a low point of 1410 posts in October 2017, to 2242 posts in December 2018. This is far off the numbers we enjoyed in our true heyday, which ended with the popularization of Facebook and other platforms. Our record month was March 2009, in which we had 12131 posts. But over eight years later, we are in a comfortable place, now. What I have noticed is that people are becoming skeptical of the major social media platforms, and that there is still a role for the web forum. In fact, sometimes old users email me to help reactivate their old accounts. Two such requests this year came from people who were HUGE posters back in the day, but they have not decided to post anything new, at least not yet. It is hard to re-integrate into an old community, just like in real life.

01-18-2019, 11:17 AM	#2
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	I know i dont post much these days , but thanks Sir Toad for keeping this Bar/Coffie shop / forum going for us all . Nice to have extended family all over the place . __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

01-18-2019, 01:23 PM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	like __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-18-2019, 01:29 PM	#5
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	What Griff said. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

01-18-2019, 01:44 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	This probably falls under the category of "software update" but what do you think would happen if The Cellar's posts had a "share on Facebook" button? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-18-2019, 01:45 PM	#7
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	We'd have to quit both. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-18-2019, 01:51 PM	#8
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	What Griff said. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

01-18-2019, 01:56 PM	#9
Glinda Fucktard Resistance League Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 1.14 acres of heaven Posts: 1,512	What Griff and fargon said.

01-18-2019, 02:06 PM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	What Griff, Fargon, and Glinda said. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-18-2019, 04:47 PM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	UT: You may find this interesting. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-18-2019, 05:35 PM	#14
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I mean.. what do you think would happen? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-18-2019, 05:55 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Many people would then post about the item on FB, ignoring the Cellar thread. The Cellar would then become nothing but a source of ad-supported material for a pretty stupid big silicon valley corporation. Then, without a community contributing to it, the Cellar dies. The only (remaining) purpose for this place is the community.

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