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01-11-2015, 09:28 AM | #1 |
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The corollary to Bruce's thread.
Anonymous, having zero tolerance for attacks on free speech, wants to shutdown the free speech of radical Muslims. I suppose it may temporarily hurt recruitment in the West but I'd guess those web sites are likely more effective as honey pots for western intelligence agencies than for getting nut ball messages out.
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Griff, you need to bone up on your first amendment. There are specific limits to free or protected speech.
Incitement to riot or to commit crimes is not protected speech. http://www.minnesotalawreview.org/ar...se-incitement/ One of my teachers described the first amendment as a pie chart representing all types of speech or expression. Slowly, slice after slice representing expression that is not protected, e.g. obscenity, slander, libel, is removed we are left with a rather thin sliver that represents what is protected and where. For example, you have no first amendment rights in a private forum like a private club or school. This isn't to defend Anonymous' actions; a blanket attack would wipe out their protected speech as well as their unprotected speech. The over-arching idea behind the first amendment is that there is a "market place of ideas" and the counter to unpopular speech isn't to remove it from the marketplace but to add more ideas to counter it. In other words more ideas not fewer. And fundamentalists of all stripes are in the fewer ideas camp and ultimately anti free speech. Which is highly ironic since they are claiming their rights under the very right they want to destroy. Quote:
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01-11-2015, 02:33 PM | #3 | |
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01-12-2015, 05:18 PM | #6 |
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I am certain we are have two completely different, wholly unrelated conversations. You are talking about free speech as interpreted by our government. I'm talking about organizations that are operating outside of legal frameworks, although one fancies itself a government. My reference to free speech was to get people to notice that speech was being defended by suppressing speech. A little irony to introduce the idea of electronic attacks on a low tech insurgency.
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01-13-2015, 07:59 PM | #7 |
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The difference between an official and a popular definition of a single term is often at the heart of such disagreements. Look at the hullaballoo over Bill Cosby's alleged actions. Is he "guilty"? There are at least two courts in which such a verdict can be rendered, the court of law and the court of public opinion.
The standards for guilt or innocence in each court are dramatically different, but the word "guilty" sounds exactly the same in both and context and process are just too much damn work for many, who prefer instead to skip right to the verdict. Your example of "free speech" fits this mold perfectly.
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01-16-2015, 04:23 PM | #9 | |
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One can demand protection of free speech using rhetoric. Or one can demand protection of free speech by also knowing how, what, and why other types of free speech are so important and necessary. Only moderates also appreciate the many reasons how and why. Defined are two completely different people - an extremist and a moderate. An extremist will demand free speech only because that is the political agenda they are ordered to worship. Free speech (hate) that promoted 8 million dead Jews was advocated by extremists. Others who also learn underlying details - ie the purpose of that free speech - know that hate speech is dangerous to the purpose of free speech and to the advancment of mankind. Free speech that promotes hate is dangerous to all. Free speech that also discusses underlying details - the whys - (rahter than soundbyte rhetoric) is essential for the advancement of mankind. Free speech that advicates hate should be viciously attacked as destructive even to all other types of free speech. |
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