God Spare New Orleans

[BigV]

This just in--Superdome to Astrodome transfer of refugees is ended. The Astrodome is full. No Vacancy. Next step, tent cities and get crackin. Likely in Texas, with plenty of open ground for mass scale temporary housing.

[Trilby]

I've one question: Where are the French? It's their city!

I am sooo sad over all of this. Then I hear news about snipers shooting at hospital evacuees...then I read wolf saying we're all just one paycheck away from savagery, and I have to agree with that...but, man. This is bad. This is third world shit. Where is America?

[Elspode]

This shit *is* America...it is America without cable TV, air conditioning, SUVs, big stereos, fast food.

Pay close attention, folks. History tells us that we're going to see more of this at some point. It may be a different cause, but take away the stuff that keeps the underprivileged and politically suppressed docile, and see what comes about.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Elspode

Pay close attention, folks. History tells us that we're going to see more of this at some point. It may be a different cause, but take away the stuff that keeps the underprivileged and politically suppressed docile, and see what comes about.

Personally, I'm waiting for the fallout to settle (literally) from a dirty bomb in a major city.

I don't know if my employer will let me go yet, but I'm on alert for possible activation to go to the disaster area.

[Brett's Honey]

Originally Posted by wolf

Personally, I'm waiting for the fallout to settle (literally) from a dirty bomb in a major city.

I don't know if my employer will let me go yet, but I'm on alert for possible evacuation to go to the disaster area.

You mean the Katrina disater area? (as opposed to the dirty bomb disater area?) ... stupid question probably ....

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

You mean the Katrina disater area? (as opposed to the dirty bomb disater area?) ... stupid question probably ....

Yes, I am on standby for activation for Katrina.

[bargalunan]

Originally Posted by Brianna

I've one question: Where are the French? It's their city!

At the beginning Bush said USA didn't need international help.
He said, the day after Katrina : "I don't expect much from foreign countries because we didn't ask them !"
Has he ever missed one mistake ?
When I saw him on TV comforting a crying woman and her girl ! Just for propaganda, 4 days after !
Does it need other comments ?
Throw Bush in the Mississipi to make him understand, if it's not too late for him.

Thursday French prime minister has offered humanitary help, boats, planes quickly available in French Antillas (Guadeloupe and Martinique)
Other European countries, Germany, UK, Holland... on their own, or among Europe also decided to help USA.
So do Japan, Taiwan, ONU...
I don't know if the government of Bengladesh will help Bush because they are skilled in facing floodings.

For us this disaster is beyond measure : Flooded territories represent half of France !

It took 1 or 2 days for French people to realise how important it was.
The first news were saying that finally Katerina was level 3 instead of 5, and that New Orleans didn't suffer at all as feared in worst case.
We were thinking that US would easily cope with this situation alone.
When the tsunami occured one year ago in Asia, there was a great generosity because they are third-world-countries-that-need-international-help.
It's quite difficult to realise that an important part of the first powerful country in the world becomes so deeply paralysed in one day.

Originally Posted by Brianna

I am sooo sad over all of this. Then I hear news about snipers shooting at hospital evacuees...then I read wolf saying we're all just one paycheck away from savagery, and I have to agree with that...but, man. This is bad. This is third world shit. Where is America?

Originally Posted by Elspode

This shit *is* America...it is America without cable TV, air conditioning, SUVs, big stereos, fast food.
Pay close attention, folks. History tells us that we're going to see more of this at some point. It may be a different cause, but take away the stuff that keeps the underprivileged and politically suppressed docile, and see what comes about.

Yes, Yes, Yes.
French revolution happened after some years of bad weather that gave bad crops. Folk was starving.
Modern society has also forgotten modesty. Mother nature reminds of it.
Playing with rules of nature will cause other social troubles. (Sounds apocalyptic and sententious, sorry)

As usual, the most important victims are among poor social classes (poor, black, old) that leaders like Bush don't care of.
If this society is so fragile, maybe because it's not based on good and basic values.
A society shouldn't neither consist in screwing more strongly a lid over the pressure of unfairness.

So sad.
Wishing victims will rapidly find food, water, family, security, dry ground, home, job, courage to rebuilt their life...
And run and buy the new Playstation...
Hoping that accurate preventive measures will be taken. But if we're waiting for Bush....

Originally Posted by bargalunan

At the beginning Bush said USA didn't need international help.
He said, the day after Katrina : "I don't expect much from foreign countries because we didn't ask them !"
Has he ever missed one mistake ?
When I saw him on TV comforting a crying woman and her girl ! Just for propaganda, 4 days after !
Does it need other comments ?
Throw Bush in the Mississipi to make him understand, if it's not too late for him.

Couldn't agree more, bargalunan! Throw the bastard into the worst hit areas of the city and let the snipers finish him off!

Originally Posted by bargalunan

Thursday French prime minister has offered humanitary help, boats, planes quickly available in French Antillas (Guadeloupe and Martinique)

Gee, why do we hate the French, again? Would someone like to remind me? Thank you, my friend!

Originally Posted by bargalunan

I don't know if the government of Bengladesh will help Bush because they are skilled in facing floodings.

Do you think they'd drown him for us if we sent him over there? The US would supply the cement shoes, Bangladesh could supply the water. Dinner's at 6:00, Georgie!*

Originally Posted by bargalunan

For us this disaster is beyond measure : Flooded territories represent half of France !

Well, I'm glad someONE cares. No one here seems overly concerned. We might have to "throw money" at a levee. Wouldn't want to do that here in the superior US of A. You wussy Europeans can take care of your infra-structure. We are above such things. (or under them, as the case might be)

Originally Posted by bargalunan

As usual, the most important victims are among poor social classes (poor, black, old) that leaders like Bush don't care of.
If this society is so fragile, maybe because it's not based on good and basic values.
A society shouldn't neither consist in screwing more strongly a lid over the pressure of unfairness.

Well, let me expain our ever so advanced American society to you, bargalunan. See, all those po' folks who died or are dying in New Orleans SHOULD HAVE PLANNED, so they deserve what they get - even if its death. Too poor to own a car that you could have driven out of town? Obviously, you lack the Protestant Work Ethic - death for you! Too old to climb to higher ground? Who needs you? They're cutting Social Security, anyhow. Bye-bye. Owned or rented a home in a flooded area of town? Hmmm... Isn't that a black neighborhood? No problem! As we all know, black folk are gifted athletes and can easily dog paddle for days.

Gosh, don't you wish you were lucky enough to live here?

* Cement shoes or overcoat - slang for murdering someone and dropping them with plenty of weight on the body (like cement) off in a river somewhere.

[Brett's Honey]

I just watched Fox - the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity and Colmbes....losts of criticism of the Louisiana governor and N.O. mayor, followed by a lot of praise on Houston's excellent organization and ability to meet the immediate needs of all of the people they've taken in.

[Elspode]

Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

I just watched Fox - the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity and Colmbes....losts of criticism of the Louisiana governor and N.O. mayor, followed by a lot of praise on Houston's excellent organization and ability to meet the immediate needs of all of the people they've taken in.

Right Wing mouthpiece, doing its job.

Make sure and catch MSNBC so you see the Left's hair-tearing portrayal of everything. Then add the two together, divide by 2, and you'll have the real gist of things.

Fair and Balanced can only occur inside your own mind, because TV sure isn't going to show it.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

I just watched Fox - the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity and Colmbes....losts of criticism of the Louisiana governor and N.O. mayor, followed by a lot of praise on Houston's excellent organization and ability to meet the immediate needs of all of the people they've taken in.

You should have seen right through those half truth lies as they left the lips. Houston is a larger city that only took in a few ten thousand people. AND all facilities were intact and functional. They could even tap their sururbs for assistance. To praise Houston, wait till they have to take in a second hundred thousand refugees. Only then does aid becomes challenging. Ahhh. But what is necessary to lie? Fox News must forget to provide numbers - not put the disaster into perspective. Perspective is not what a 'black and white' propaganda service wants to report.

Everyone is asking about busterb. Rumored to be that bad even about 1/4 up the state and just southeast of Jackson MS. Houston has all suburbs intact. Bay Springs is reported to take three hours just to rescue local folk. How does the LA or MS governor get aid to New Orleans when even way north in Bay Springs, it takes hours to rescue people. New Orleans nor LA even have suburbs for support.

Glaring fact. Louis Armstrong International airport that is right at the disaster location is all but empty. A nation chock full of C5A, C17, C-130, and C-141 transport aircraft as well as others such as 747s and DC-10s sent how much aid into the city by air? When asked why military planes were not providing such assistance, well, the federal government never asked. George Jr never asked. Where is Fox News on this story? Its called lying by telling half truths.

When it is declared a federal disaster area, the #1 organization for all decisions and action is FEMA. A responsible president is taking all FEMA calls personally. But George says it's ... hhhaaaarrrrddd.

Learn the lessons of history. When Andrew went through FL, some reservist friends were transported to Harrisburg to man the large military storehouses there. They sat there doing nothing. One reported the entire FEMA request was for one tent and a few generators. Meanwhile, about 5 days later, a FL county official found some press people and said, "Send everything you have now. People will be dying in hours."

Deja Vue. FEMA's response in FL after Andrews was just as pathetic as its response in New Orleans. A response one can expect from people who are promoted because they are politically correct - and therefore don't have a George Patton attitude of solving problems. But again, these deaths were more than ten years ago. How many forget back then how FEMA let people die. Appreciate the angry look behind Ted Koppel's eyes as the FEMA director repeatedly avoided or would not even answer hard questions. Only anti-Americans would have acted as FEMA and this administration have. So bad was the response that accusations of racism or second class citizenry cannot be ignored.

Where are these supporters of George Jr now that the meddle of the man is tested. His response to this hurricane is just like he ran his oil company business and just like the "Mission Accomplished" war. No oil was found, the investors lost everything, but George Jr got rich. Leave it to Fox News to lie again about the integrity of the man - and blame the victims.

[Scopulus Argentarius]

Originally Posted by tw

Glaring fact. Louis Armstrong International airport that is right at the disaster location is all but empty. A nation chock full of C5A, C17, C-130, and C-141 transport aircraft as well as others such as 747s and DC-10s sent how much aid into the city by air? When asked why military planes were not providing such assistance, well, the federal government never asked. George Jr never asked. Where is Fox News on this story? Its called lying by telling half truths.

The initial response from the air was underwhelming.

As of Tuesday, MSY (The Louis Armstrong Airport) airport has been used as a staging area. MSY , located smack dab in the middle of the disaster area but outside of New Orleans ( in Kenner, La, 10 miles west of New Orleans) was initially reported to be underwater. I am not sure if the reports were true but I'm certain it delayed its initial usage as decisions were made using these initial reports.

That said, the *initial* response from the air was underwhelming. Presently, I'm seeing medical evacuation traffic overhead fast and furious. (It has actually slowed down as of yesterday after noon) I've yet to observe massive logisitical support aircraft. Those may arrive/(may have arrived) from another direction. (I am in Southeast Baton Rouge and directly in the flight path for a good bit of air traffic)


The statement "FEMA leadership and control" is oxymoronic. It needed to be pushed aside. Luckily, we still have some local leaders with the balls to do so. Sheriff Harry Lee, Sheriff of Jefferson Parish (west of New Orleans) basically declared his Parish has seceded from the United State and that he was in charge. He sent his own crew in for rescue and civil order operations. JPSO is one of the most competent, efficient, and well trained police organizations in the country. (you don't f*** with them...They are the reason New Orleans crime stays in the city and does not plague JP) (This statement was an anecdote from someone who left the area, I can't claim its accuracy - but I do know his crews are WORKING the area)


FEMA cost hundreds of people their lives, spread and intensified misery, and emasculated those in power who could have done something about the situation.


All is moot though, people should have been evacuated; it could have been done. People of common sense and the means (and not in special circumstances) did just that. There was plenty warning for an ounce of prevention.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...761346,00.html

(edited to paste in the link)http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...761346,00.html

[Brett's Honey]

Seeing Geraldo cry and the other news reporters getting sooo pissed at the lack of relief to those people in NO shows how much criticism this relief effort is going to get. And they had not seen a Red Cross person or vehicle yet. The first trucks I saw were Salvation Army trucks.

[wolf]

I haven't really been watching the news on this a lot, so I've missed some things.

Do we have an official ribbon color yet? What about the rubber wristband?

[zippyt]

Make sure and catch MSNBC so you see the Left's hair-tearing portrayal of everything. Then add the two together, divide by 2, and you'll have the real gist of things.


If you have access to satlite add to that BBC and devide by 3 , That is the streight scoop !!!