Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf

[tw]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Although, when was the last time 47 Democrats sided with Bush on anything? That's practically a mandate.

"Impose religion on all people" is now the litmus test. Your question was answered 18 Mar and later

Don’t forget why this controversy exists. Religious beliefs being imposed upon others. Science says she is a human vegetable. But those of religious superiority insist science must be wrong. Why? Political extremists just know they see intelligence - science be damned. Religious beliefs again being promoted upon others. You don't have the right to die. Extremist (Ashcroft) also did this in Oregon in direct contradiction to the voters wishes. Just another example of Satanism - imposing religious beliefs upon others.

Religious extremists have made this a litmus test of who they will take out. Remember, the religious vote religiously. The majority don't vote. This is not about Terri Schiavo' oatmeal brain. This is about forcing religious beliefs on all other people. The rights that Terri Schiavo and her husband once had have been long since destroyed by a right wing religious agenda. An agenda to find build an enemies list.

The courts have repeatedly rejected every issue put forth by religious extremists. You would never know that from the posts by mrnoodle. The courts are solidly honoring Terri and Michael's rights.

No this is not about Terri. She is to be screwed. Right wing religion has declared Terri the battle cry to deny all the right of euthanasia. George Jr knows where he gets his votes. George Jr has decided he knows what is right - without even learning the facts. He has been told what the Christian party line is. Screw Terri and her husband to the max. Only religious rhetoric is important here.

Appreciate why even Democrats are on the band wagon. The religious voter. You (plural) the majority do not vote. Well over 90% of religous extremists do vote. "Screw human rights", say even Democrats. "I want to get reelected. Screw Terri Schiavo. She does not have enough brain to survive let alone vote."

It’s called rape by politics. OK. The courts are foolishly representing American principles of human rights. But don't worry. We will fix government so that you can be saved. No one expects a Spanish Inquisition - especially the Schiavos. And yes, that is why even Democrats voted to condenm Terri Schiavo. Religion must be imposed on all infidels. Terri Schiavo is simply a targetting manuever. The litmus test will identify which Congressman and Judges are to be attacked next - to save you from your rights.

Its no accident that one lawyer said Terri's death would be a mortal sin. Screw the law. They are testing each judge and congressman to define their enemies - as even the Pope has encouraged.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by tw

something about religion

Let me see if I have this right. The reason why anyone wants to keep Terri Schiavo alive is because to do so imposes government-mandated religion on those who don't vote. This group comprises at least 51% of the populace and, while obviously superior in intelligence (they don't believe in God), are so unmotivated that they can't leave the house once every four years to pull a lever.

My brain is fried from work, but I'm pretty sure I got the gist of it.

How about an alternative. "Since we don't really know her wishes (dammit, get a living will people) and her husband's motivation is equally cloudy, let's keep her alive until we can review the whole issue again."

Damn Jesus freaks.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

How about an alternative. "Since we don't really know her wishes (dammit, get a living will people) and her husband's motivation is equally cloudy, let's keep her alive until we can review the whole issue again."

How many "again"s? The issue has been reviewed and rereviewed since 2000, and the same conclusion has been reached each time.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

How many "again"s? The issue has been reviewed and rereviewed since 2000, and the same conclusion has been reached each time.

yes. and maybe it's time to let it go. but the one thing that's still not clear is what Terri's wishes were. I guess since there's no way to really know (short of taking Michael's word for it, which I'm loath to do), it has to be removed from the argument.

But that sucks. gah. no more posts from me on this today. it bums me out.

[Troubleshooter]

Wait until Jeb tries to take her into protective custody with family services powers...

[Brett's Honey]

[quote]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

(dammit, get a living will people)

Hopefully, this is the one good thing that will come out of all of this. I know it has made me realize just how very important it is to have a living will. Surely most everyone in the country is aware of this case, and hopefully most everyone will get their living wills taken care of!

[Kitsune]

If her parents made the decision Michael Schiavo made I would be OK with it.

In our society, your parents don't have any rights over your life or property once you are married or explicity state it in (as in a living will). Why do you not agree with that? You would rather everyone's parents had the ability to null out their spouse's will when they are not able to communicate their wishes? Just because of a blood relation?

[Happy Monkey]

The Democrats reflected the general consensus of the nation, while the Republicans voted as a partisan bloc. Though I wish the Democrats had reflected the 70-30 consensus against Congress intervening, rather than the 60-40 split against reinserting the feeding tube.

I used the term "circus", not "national story". A quick mention on CNN can make something a "national story". This case became a circus when Jeb Bush involved himself. Until that point, it was two parties exercising all available options to the extent available by law. Then Jeb jumps in and says "I'll override the judicial system in this case!" That's what separated this case from any other dispute over guardianship status.

[OnyxCougar]

I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists".

It seems like the only relgious people who are "extremists" are the ones that disagree with the way he thinks about a topic.

Without knowing any more about this than the average person, I think the law should uphold Michael's right as her husband.

And I'm filing a living will tomorrow.

[tw]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists".

Damn. I got replaced by Neil Diamond. Oh well. Can't stay on top of the charts forever. Or maybe I should try harder.

You don't like the expression "religious extremist"? Then provide a better word. But religious extremists are a core constituency of the George Jr support block, are the people he brought to George Sr's winning election, and are now a most powerful political force in Washington. No way around this fact. Terri Schiavo is the litmus test for religious extremists to target their enemies. Even Democrats are rushing to appease these power brokers. Washington has changed that much; become that adversarial.

Reality - the new politics in Washington is not going to change. The religious extremists are doing even what the Pope has decreed. Remove those who are contrary to religious doctrine.

[vsp]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

I am so tired of hearing TW prattle on about "religious extremists".

It seems like the only relgious people who are "extremists" are the ones that disagree with the way he thinks about a topic.

Terri Schiavo's parents are being represented, with their approval, by a man who's openly stated the following gems:

"Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple.... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."

"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

This is the guy who's helping to coordinate the Schindlers' activism and lobbying efforts and who's speaking on their behalf on talk radio and such.

Shall I go on?

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by vsp

Terri Schiavo's parents are being represented, with their approval, by a man who's openly stated the following gems:

"Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple.... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."

"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

This is the guy who's helping to coordinate the Schindlers' activism and lobbying efforts and who's speaking on their behalf on talk radio and such.

Shall I go on?

Who is the guy that said that? We need to shoot his ass before he can hurt people.

I'm not suggesting there aren't religious extremists in this country. I'm saying that I'm tired of every single issue that is on this board being turned into one of either (1) religious extremism or (2) MBA stupidity.

Yes, MBAs have issues. WE ALL KNOW THIS. Yes, there are kooks out there. WE ALL KNOW THIS. However, not all religious people are extremists, as TW would imply. Not all MBAs are stupid, either.

I understand Tee's frustration. Why can't he just say "Insert religious extremist speech here" or "Insert MBA speech here"? If I wanted to read the economist, I'd get a subscription.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

However, not all religious people are extremists, as TW would imply. Not all MBAs are stupid, either.

While true, that isn't particularly relevant. The problems are being caused by the religious people who are extremists, and the MBAs who, while not necessarily stupid, are singleminded and shortsighted to the point of criminality. The existence of moderate religious people and thoughtful MBAs doesn't help anything unless they lend some support in reining in the others.

[vsp]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Who is the guy that said that? We need to shoot his ass before he can hurt people.

That would be Randall Terry, former head of Operation Rescue, currently <a href="http://www.earnedmedia.org/tf0214.htm">invited by the Schindler family</a> to <a href="http://www.earnedmedia.org/tf0318.htm">coordinate their efforts</a>. (Many better links to Terry's involvement than these two, they were just the first Google produced.)

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Yes, MBAs have issues. WE ALL KNOW THIS. Yes, there are kooks out there. WE ALL KNOW THIS. However, not all religious people are extremists, as TW would imply. Not all MBAs are stupid, either.

There are millions and millions and millions of religious people in this country who have no compelling interest in how others lead their lives, as long as they themselves have their rights to worship their god(s) in their private lives in the way that they choose to do so. THOSE are not religious extremists.

There are large numbers of religious people in this country who _do_ feel it is in their compelling interest to push for legislation based specifically on their religious and moral beliefs, to enforce those beliefs as the standard for behavior in our society, and to place their beliefs in a "preferred class" over those of "lesser" religions or belief systems.

THOSE are extremists. Tom "Clinton needed to be impeached because he didn't hold the right Biblical worldview" DeLay is one of them. The fact that people like DeLay are not only listened to but hold positions of high power in our government scares the bleeding ratshit out of me.

[warch]

I'm anticipating the joyous day when caring nuturer, uncle Jeb rolls a floppy pile of red white and blue Shiavo out on his campaign stage. Dead or alive, it really dont matter. Yahoo! Think of the coverage!