Less is More

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by lumberjim
Listen, I'd like it if you posted more. You're pretty damn funny and smart, and your smile is amazing. If you can get your average up over 5 per day ( starting today, 7/1) I'll keep mine under 10. sound fair?

You would have to stop posting for 3 1/2 months before you would drop under 10/day average.

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by Griff
I'd like to see more of HB but nobody can average 5 posts a day without a poor signal to noise ratio.

Bullshit.

[lumberjim]

static to noise is largely unquantifiable, no?

first of all, 'static' in the sense you refer to is subjective. second, who's to say that of my 13.89 posts per day, that X amount of those posts are noise?

I'm not saying that every one of my posts is gold, but i would say that at least half(6.945) of them are more than just chit chat. the missing ingredient is time spent reading other posts. there are no statistics for that. I'd bet my wallet that I spend more time reading than most of the folks here, so it's only natural that i will have more to say in response. In addition to that, the 'good' posts that i make certainly number more than most on sheer statistical odds. The 'bad' ones too, if we assume a 50/50 split of good/bad posts..... ( most of you have averages below that 6.9 mark)

All of this focus on post quality will probably be good for us in the long run, so you could say that HB is doing us a service by taking the role of watchdog here, and sacrificing some good will he has surely earned over the years. Either, HB cares so much that he is willing to take one for the team and not back down, or he doesn't care much at all for the people behind the posts and therefore risks nothing in offending them. (which he said himself that he expected) If I had to bet, i'd go with the former.

And yet, it is natural for people to react when they are rebuffed by someone they feel some amount of respect for. For the newbies, we look over there and see a registration date in 2001 and must assume that that person is one of the 'giants' that HB has exhalted. I still think that if you're going to dump the post count, you should dump the reg date, too. I mean, is the date that you discovered the cellar more indicitive of talent than post count? or is it equally irrelevant?

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by sycamore


You would have to stop posting for 3 1/2 months before you would drop under 10/day average.

and hb would have to post like 30 per day to get up to 5 based on his date of reg...i did say going from 7/1 forward. i know there is no way of tracking that, and i was just making a point anyway:

I could berate people to post more like I do, but I don't .....so he shouldn't.

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

Hubris: Overbearing pride or presumption.

During his long tenure in the financial world, Friedman has watched dozens of his competitors' businesses killed by hubris born of success rather than by unsound business decisions or adverse market conditions.
--Lisa Endlich, Goldman Sachs: The Culture of Success

This is the actor's hubris, to imagine the world possessed of a single, avid eye fixed solely and always on him.
--John Banville, Eclipse

With dizzying hubris, Shelley elevated the vocation of the poet above that of priest and statesman.
--Peter Gay, Pleasure Wars: The Bourgeois Experience


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Hubris comes from Greek hybris, "excessive pride, wanton violence."

If the shoe fits... That brief enough for you, HB? Patient DOES show a certain level of self-awareness...

And while I'm at it, if HB's arrogant attitude and sophmoric power of intellectual thought, combined with his excessively self-indulgent style of writing, is an example of the "old" Cellar, I would think that most people would welcome its disappearance rather than mourn it.

:p

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh, I think he's weel aware of the implications of his chosen title.

LJ, why on earth are you taking this so personal. You act like it was Undertoad attacking you personally, when it was just another Dweller stating his preferences. It's a windmill.
Remember what I said about rules? That goes for HB and everyone else, also.

[dar512]

Originally posted by blue
Well when do you use togethor then Einstein? It is a word right?

Merriam Webster online doesn't recognize it. What do you think it means?

[Undertoad]

Well I for one believe that the REAL problem is not really one of quality over quantity. It's that, at a certain point, there are so many quantity of posts and threads that it's just impossible to keep up.

I took a look at the stats from the past, and we do generate about twice as many posts as what HB might call a golden era - and three times as many as just half a year learlier. But we also see an increate in the number of threads, a similar increase too.

[lookout123]

LOL - oh wait, i can't do that. i can tell you that i had seen HB signed in a couple of times without posting so i was really looking forward to what he would have to say. although i did laugh while reading his post, it was sad... i had to wipe the tear from my eye.

i don't believe in giants around here, but i would have thought HB would have been able to come up with some better sort of retort.
unfortunately, i think we can now give him an honorary french accent, he can wear it like a medal. in my eyes what little weight i did lend to HB's thoughts is gone. his last post, if indicative of the man, would show him to be a self-impressed prick who is probably just a too tightly wound because his poor social interaction skills have prevented him from getting laid for the last oooh, lifetime? and in wonderful form he fires off some insults about our intelligence that he probably had to borrow from a book anyway. so, HB, if you meant to ruffle some feathers with the last post i think you missed the mark - you are just a write-off. sorry if i didn't use enough big words to be deemed worthy of your attention.

i think the point the rest of us stand on is that we enjoy the cellar, we thank tony for all the time and energy he puts into this so we may enjoy it. we make of it what we want - until the great and gloriousUT comes out from behind the curtain to tell us to reel it in. until such time - enjoy yourself - and i'll see if i can find a ladder to help you down from that damn pedastal.

Originally posted by lookout123
until such time - enjoy yourself - and i'll see if i can find a ladder to help you down from that damn pedastal.

Nah, let him stay up there. That way he can't inflict himself on the rest of the human race.

[OnyxCougar]

I'd suggest wings.

Originally posted by OnyxCougar
I'd suggest wings.

Icarus, right?

[lumberjim]

I do take it personally, bruce. as for why?

it's like this:

the way HB stated his initial point was a trap. he said so himself. He made a shoe. Now, if you respond to it and argue with him, the shoe fits, right? that makes it personal. I post more than anyone here (since dana evaporated, at least) and have always been concerned that I post too much. This strikes a particular nerve for me then. There is enough truth to what HB said to make it sting a little. So I feel like I should stand up for those he accuses of being Tards.

It would be pretty cool if every post was enthralling. I started the creative writing forum in an attempt to encourage that kind of thing.
The problem, as i see it, with being overly careful of making your every post deeply meaningful and well composed is that there are not enough active posters here to do that at a pace which will keep people interested, and coming back every couple of hours or so like they do now. People would eventually drift away, and forget about the cellar. ( how many interesting people came and went before I got here? how many of them would have stuck around longer if they knew they could count on at least 2 or 3 giggles a day in my posts?)

There are people who post drivel more often then not. Fortunately, they don't tend to stay very long (free aol discs do eventually expire) but even they have a value in that they make excellent targets for insults and firm talking down to's. I see myself as someone who's posts are well recieved by most people, so to equate the high post average with a high crap ratio concerns me. At first I tried to not take wht he said personally, but the more I thought about it, the more clear it was that he was speaking to me. Maybe I'm just being self centered, but his last post seems to have confirmed that suspicion. Now, If it was some asshole that said that, it wouldn't bother me nearly as much. I would be just as concerned if you, or Elspode, or UT, or HP, said it. And yes, what griff just said gives me a bit of a pause, too.

But you kow what? fuck it. I'm going to do as I do. it's who I am. if you think it's static, change the channel, or just tune me out. you're right bruce. you're right hubris, you're right onyx, you're right, beestie, UT, lookout, marichiko. we're all fucking right. so goddamn right it should be wrong.

and don't get mad at hubris, he obviously cares. it's just tough love.

now, let's have make up sex!

[Cyber Wolf]

I see how a reg date might imply some kind of tenure on this board, but the reality is there are lots of names registered from long ago that in the past 3 years haven't made many (if any) posts. Now, in all of this...bruhaha, it's been implied several times that an old reg date + low low number of posts = low signal to noise ratio/higher intellegence/more meaningful posts/insert your own glorifying conclusion here.

Is that REALLY so? Can that be said without actually looking at all of the posts of such a user? Just because SomeNickname is 4 years old and has 10 posts registered to it doesn't make that person anymore intellectual, any more intellegent, any more a "Giant" than OtherNickname, 1 month old with 40 posts.

HB puts me in mind of a older gent sitting on his porch, grumbling about how things were better in the day, when kids respected their elders, dadgumit, and there weren't so many people around here making noise and there used to be a big beautiful field over there, all built up now, and why can't kids wear their pants where pants go, goin' around with their draws showing, yep things were MUCH Better back in MY day.*spit* *gum gum* Yep.

[ladysycamore]

quote:
Originally posted by ladysycamore
You also said that there is a time and a place for everything.

Where did I say that?

For some things, there's NEVER a time or place.

HIS quote, not YOURS:
http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php...5&pagenumber=3


I believe that I clearly stated, "jaguar said" when I quoted that post:
http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php...5&pagenumber=4

Scroll down the page and see for yourself that I was speaking directly to jaguar.

Originally posted by ladysycamore
And now I see that you are going to just poof go away and not try to turn the ship 'round.

This ain't a chatroom, you know. I'll respond when I have a chance. If that's not quick enough for you, too bad. Deal with it. I don't have as much free time as... some people.

Again, I was responding to jag who clearly said that he was going to disappear for a while:

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php...5&pagenumber=3

Your own words:
"Important safety tip: Read first, then respond."

Now, you have made it obvious that you are dissatified with the way things are going here on this board and you have also made it clear that you don't give a damn how you project your dissatifaction to others. The level of utter and complete disrespect is appauling, to say the least. Calling people "tards" isn't going to get you what you want (unless alienating posters and hoping they would leave was your goal). Just because you are well read and speak well and can converse "properly" doesn't make you any better than anyone on this board. In fact, that last post of yours made you look like the biggest assfuck in human history...but hey, you don't care so what does that matter, right?

And yes, as a matter of fact, I *do* have quite some time on my hands, and not by choice as you are well aware. My time IS valuable. Therefore, I don't have a whole lot of time to debate with you the ins and outs of a messageboard. The internet, as a whole, is NOT that serious for me personally. The only thing basically that matters to me at this point are the people on my dialysis board and helping them deal with chronic illness, which is ten million times mother fucking INFINITY more important than worrying about how people post on a board.

Bottom line: you are NOT the owner of this board, and gee whiz, guess what? You don't get to decide who posts and who doesn't. Until UT decides that certain folks are not wanted here, I will continue to post however and whenever I like, just as I'm sure you will (and just as YOU HAVE!).

So if you don't give a fuck, then neither the hell do I.

GOOD DAY!