Perverting science for politics - Page 9

Mundane Gorilla · 05-01-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I'm never impressed when tw is being a crank -- I'm surprised anyone else countenances it.

I'm moved to ask, tw: what language was your first? You tend to use English like someone from Eastern Europe.

Nor is anyone impressed when your being your usual tool self either.

What difference does it make where he is from or what his primary language is? Do you sum someone up by their race and or language preference? Or was that crack meant to be comedic in some way? If that was the intention you missed your mark.

Aside from slumming around in the political and current events forums with snide remarks do you actually contribute anything?

Now please make some profound statement regarding my low post count and get back to your scheduled hateful little life.

9th Engineer · 05-01-2006, 09:57 PM

TW sums up exactly why I plan on moving out of the US once I graduate. I am currently a sophmore bioengineer, and I can't imagine working anywhere in this country. I should add one comment however, religeous crusades probably have much less effect on why I'm leaving as opposed to other aspects mentioned. I think that Americans as a whole have abandoned science. At my university (U of Pittsburgh) we are a significant minority, and the general attitude among the non-scientists is that science is some wierd thing that antisocial people do in dark rooms. It's this attitude that has convinced me to leave. Instead of working for the US government or a US university I will further the goals of whatever international corporation will give me the funding and equipment. My attitude is hardly rare as well. The general consensus is that anyone who can work abroad, should. When Americans are outraged that a corporation has all the rights to the next leap in cancer treatment or the like, they can look inwards for the answer.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-03-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

snip~ At my university (U of Pittsburgh) we are a significant minority, and the general attitude among the non-scientists is that science is some wierd thing that antisocial people do in dark rooms. ~snip

It's retro, 9th. that's exactly the way it was before sputnik/JFK started the "space race" and the big push for math and engineering majors. Slide rules became status symbols and engineers got groupies, because it was suddenly glamorous.

Then a great pall scudded (I've been waiting since high school to use that word) over the nation and blocked out the light of humanity and reason. It is a scourge on our souls, called MBA.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-24-2006, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mundane Gorilla

Nor is anyone impressed when your being your usual tool self either.

You're trying too hard -- to be annoying, and apparently that is the sum total of your ambition. Enjoy being laughed at by nicer people than you, and go fuck yourself and put a smile on your face. Fuck yourself twice, while you're at it, and put two smiles there -- a bit of holiday cheer.

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What difference does it make where he is from or what his primary language is? Do you sum someone up by their race and or language preference? Or was that crack meant to be comedic in some way? If that was the intention you missed your mark.

I'm curious. Having some familiarity with Slavic languages, I'm seeing what looks like an eastern European pattern to tw's sentences. It would also account for his distinctly Soviet view of history -- and of U.S. foreign policy, for that matter. Tw's non-intelligent, generally inadequate spelling gets particularly ill considered any time he faces a foreign language quotation or name -- "von Brahm" for von Braun, quotha! Does tw expect us to be as ignorant as he? He's doomed to disappointment. This is a man with zero copyediting skill. Your desperate attempt to find prejudice here will also be disappointed.

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Aside from slumming around in the political and current events forums with snide remarks do you actually contribute anything?

And your own stellar contributions under any handle amount to what, again? Evidently, you don't visit Food and Drink much either, you non-searching, ignorant, easily-slapped putz.

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Now please make some profound statement regarding my low post count and get back to your scheduled hateful little life.

And you demonstrate your saintly degree of enlightenment in this way, do you?

Undertoad · 11-18-2006, 08:11 AM

McCain: Bush Breaks Laws to Hide Global Warming Data

Happy Monkey · 12-14-2006, 07:28 PM

Periodic Table of Perverting Science for Politics

tw · 12-14-2006, 09:10 PM

10,000 American scientists including 52 Noble Laurets are complaining that George Jr is perverting science for political purposes. Discussed here previously with contention were those aluminum tubes that were obviously not for nuclear weapons even before Iraq was invaded.

As Happy Monkey noted, Union of Concerned Scientists provided this summary of science intentionaly pervert for political purposes. At this point, only an anti-American extremist (also called a Republican who votes the party line) could deny this lists:
A: Army Science Board
Ab: Abstinence Only Sex Education Science
Ac: Arms Control Advisory Panel
Ae: Abstinence Only Sex Education Cirriculum
Ai: Airborne Bacteria
Aq: National Ambient Air Quality Standards
At: Atrazine
B: Bull trout
Bc: Breast Cancer
C: Climate Change
Cg: Cattle Grazing
Da: NIH Drug Abuse Panel
E: Endangered Species Act
Ec: Emergency Contraception
F: Forest Management
Fe: Fuel Efficiency
Fi: NIH Fogarty International
Fp: Florida Panther
Fs: UCS Federal Scientists Surveys
G: Endangered Species Genetics
H: HIV/AIDS Education
Hc: Hurricanes
Hg: Mercury
Ia: International AIDS Conference
It: Aluminum Tubes in Iraq
J: James Hansen
K: Ketek
L: Libraries
Lp: Childhood Lead Poisoning Panel
Mi: Prescription Drugs Mifepristone and Misoprostol
Mm: Marbled Murrelet
Mr: Mountaintop Removal Mining
Nn: National Nuclear Security Administration Panel
Ns: Nerve Stimulator
O: Oil Extraction
Pc: President's Council on Bioethics
Pd: Prarie Dogs
Pe: Pesticides
Pl: Post Disturbance Logging
Pm: Particulate Matter Pollution
Pp: Plywood Plant
Pr: OMB Peer Review
Q: Air Quality Proposals
R: Red Frog
Rc: Roundtail Chub
Re: Reproductive Health Advisory Committee
Rp: Racial Profiling
S: Sage Grouse
Sa: Endangered Salmon
Se: Selenium
So: Sonar and Whales
Sp: Spotted Owl
St: Sexually Transmitted Disease Panel at CDC
T: Toxic Chemicals Release
Tr: Trumpter Swans
Tr: Tabernamontana Rotensis
V: Vetting of experts on WHO Panel
Vo: School Vouchers
Ws: Workplace Safety Panel
X: Vioxx
Z: Ground Zero

Of course these are the same people who insist we are winning in Iraq while denying any chance of victory in Afghanistan - all for a political agenda and presidential legacy.

12-15-2006, 01:14 PM

What is ID but politics.
No science gets into textbooks by political voting... why would the ID people not want theirs to go through the same scientific rigors and path as any other hypothesis to get to textbooks as any other theory?

tw · 12-15-2006, 08:53 PM

Many have little idea how widespread are scams and misinformation. You can buy devices to discharge the sky so that lightning will not strike (Early Streamer Emission (ESE) lightning rods). Some will even add radioactive materials that somehow make them better. Or Geritol for reduced aging. Pond's Institute for younger lasting skin. Power strip protectors so hyped in Circuit City. Atkin's diet. Head On. Listerine. In each case, they don't even try to make claims based in science and logic. Somehow observation or feelings alone is proof enough.

Add to that list Intelligent Design. They don't even try to meet the well proven benchmark that make science successful and productive. Somehow we are just suppost to know - and that is sufficient.

Above is a list of items to benchmark yourself. Do you demand based upon principles taught in school science? Or do you just know? Did I mention I know this Prince in Nigeria who needs your help.

Clodfobble · 12-15-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Head On.

"Apply directly to the forehead!!"

9th Engineer · 12-16-2006, 01:00 AM

Right, you can't just drop science and logic once you leave the classroom, it has to apply to every decision that gets made. Every decision, most people get stuck on that.

snowman · 12-31-2006, 10:42 AM

Here's some REAL perverting of science in the name of fundamentalist BS:

Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).

"In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.'"

piercehawkeye45 · 12-31-2006, 10:45 AM

*chokes on food*

That is a joke right? Please please please be a joke.

Hippikos · 12-31-2006, 11:11 AM

For me Al Bore´s "An Inconvenient Truth" is the Mother of Perverting Science for Politics.

How does it feel to have a stalker, tw?

suncrafter · 12-31-2006, 03:37 PM

Bush sucks. Remember this the next time you think about voting republican.

05-01-2006, 09:57 PM	#2
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	TW sums up exactly why I plan on moving out of the US once I graduate. I am currently a sophmore bioengineer, and I can't imagine working anywhere in this country. I should add one comment however, religeous crusades probably have much less effect on why I'm leaving as opposed to other aspects mentioned. I think that Americans as a whole have abandoned science. At my university (U of Pittsburgh) we are a significant minority, and the general attitude among the non-scientists is that science is some wierd thing that antisocial people do in dark rooms. It's this attitude that has convinced me to leave. Instead of working for the US government or a US university I will further the goals of whatever international corporation will give me the funding and equipment. My attitude is hardly rare as well. The general consensus is that anyone who can work abroad, should. When Americans are outraged that a corporation has all the rights to the next leap in cancer treatment or the like, they can look inwards for the answer. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

12-14-2006, 07:28 PM	#6
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Periodic Table of Perverting Science for Politics __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-16-2006, 01:00 AM	#11
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Right, you can't just drop science and logic once you leave the classroom, it has to apply to every decision that gets made. Every decision, most people get stuck on that. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

12-31-2006, 11:11 AM	#14
Hippikos Flocci Non Facio Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In The Line Of Fire Posts: 571	For me Al Bore´s "An Inconvenient Truth" is the Mother of Perverting Science for Politics. How does it feel to have a stalker, tw? __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. Last edited by Hippikos; 12-31-2006 at 11:15 AM.

11-18-2006, 08:11 AM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	McCain: Bush Breaks Laws to Hide Global Warming Data

12-14-2006, 09:10 PM	#7
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	10,000 American scientists including 52 Noble Laurets are complaining that George Jr is perverting science for political purposes. Discussed here previously with contention were those aluminum tubes that were obviously not for nuclear weapons even before Iraq was invaded. As Happy Monkey noted, Union of Concerned Scientists provided this summary of science intentionaly pervert for political purposes. At this point, only an anti-American extremist (also called a Republican who votes the party line) could deny this lists: A: Army Science Board Ab: Abstinence Only Sex Education Science Ac: Arms Control Advisory Panel Ae: Abstinence Only Sex Education Cirriculum Ai: Airborne Bacteria Aq: National Ambient Air Quality Standards At: Atrazine B: Bull trout Bc: Breast Cancer C: Climate Change Cg: Cattle Grazing Da: NIH Drug Abuse Panel E: Endangered Species Act Ec: Emergency Contraception F: Forest Management Fe: Fuel Efficiency Fi: NIH Fogarty International Fp: Florida Panther Fs: UCS Federal Scientists Surveys G: Endangered Species Genetics H: HIV/AIDS Education Hc: Hurricanes Hg: Mercury Ia: International AIDS Conference It: Aluminum Tubes in Iraq J: James Hansen K: Ketek L: Libraries Lp: Childhood Lead Poisoning Panel Mi: Prescription Drugs Mifepristone and Misoprostol Mm: Marbled Murrelet Mr: Mountaintop Removal Mining Nn: National Nuclear Security Administration Panel Ns: Nerve Stimulator O: Oil Extraction Pc: President's Council on Bioethics Pd: Prarie Dogs Pe: Pesticides Pl: Post Disturbance Logging Pm: Particulate Matter Pollution Pp: Plywood Plant Pr: OMB Peer Review Q: Air Quality Proposals R: Red Frog Rc: Roundtail Chub Re: Reproductive Health Advisory Committee Rp: Racial Profiling S: Sage Grouse Sa: Endangered Salmon Se: Selenium So: Sonar and Whales Sp: Spotted Owl St: Sexually Transmitted Disease Panel at CDC T: Toxic Chemicals Release Tr: Trumpter Swans Tr: Tabernamontana Rotensis V: Vetting of experts on WHO Panel Vo: School Vouchers Ws: Workplace Safety Panel X: Vioxx Z: Ground Zero Of course these are the same people who insist we are winning in Iraq while denying any chance of victory in Afghanistan - all for a political agenda and presidential legacy.

12-15-2006, 01:14 PM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	What is ID but politics. No science gets into textbooks by political voting... why would the ID people not want theirs to go through the same scientific rigors and path as any other hypothesis to get to textbooks as any other theory?

12-15-2006, 08:53 PM	#9
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Many have little idea how widespread are scams and misinformation. You can buy devices to discharge the sky so that lightning will not strike (Early Streamer Emission (ESE) lightning rods). Some will even add radioactive materials that somehow make them better. Or Geritol for reduced aging. Pond's Institute for younger lasting skin. Power strip protectors so hyped in Circuit City. Atkin's diet. Head On. Listerine. In each case, they don't even try to make claims based in science and logic. Somehow observation or feelings alone is proof enough. Add to that list Intelligent Design. They don't even try to meet the well proven benchmark that make science successful and productive. Somehow we are just suppost to know - and that is sufficient. Above is a list of items to benchmark yourself. Do you demand based upon principles taught in school science? Or do you just know? Did I mention I know this Prince in Nigeria who needs your help.

12-31-2006, 10:42 AM	#12
snowman snowman Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2	Here's some REAL perverting of science in the name of fundamentalist BS: Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah's flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). "In order to avoid offending religious fundamentalists, our National Park Service is under orders to suspend its belief in geology," stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. "It is disconcerting that the official position of a national park as to the geologic age of the Grand Canyon is ‘no comment.'"

12-31-2006, 10:45 AM	#13
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	chokes on food That is a joke right? Please please please be a joke.

12-31-2006, 03:37 PM	#15
suncrafter Violator of Customs Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 49	Bush sucks. Remember this the next time you think about voting republican.

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