What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona? - Page 9

jinx · 04-29-2010, 11:15 AM

Har.

Cloud · 04-29-2010, 11:42 AM

no one likes to think their friends and cow orkers are insensitive bigots.

I'm disappointed.

lumberjim · 04-29-2010, 11:48 AM

who's an insensitive bigot now?

Cloud · 04-29-2010, 11:54 AM

others.

lumberjim · 04-29-2010, 11:55 AM

Yeah, I hate others. jerks.

classicman · 04-30-2010, 01:34 PM

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Sue Schwartz says she's been called a racist so many times she doesn't mind the label anymore. If wanting immigrants to enter the country legally, like her great-grandparents from Mexico, and obey the laws of the land makes her racist, then so be it, she says firmly.

"I'm getting to the point I wear it with pride," says Schwartz, a lifelong Arizonan who has warily watched the growth of the illegal immigrant population in the state over the course of her life.

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Of equal concern to her friend, Martha Payan, is how she says illegal immigrants "fleece" government coffers by collecting welfare on multiple children, or vanish without a trace after an arrest or a hospital visit.

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Anna Gaines, a Mexican-born U.S. citizen, says she took up the fight against illegal immigration after becoming disillusioned by the attitudes of immigrant families that she witnessed as a teacher in the Paradise Valley School District in Paradise, Arizona.

"Many of these families were having one child after another just to earn a paycheck from the U.S. government and they didn't care about their children's education," says Gaines, the controversial founder of American Citizens United, a grass-roots organization known for its extreme views on immigration enforcement. "They didn't want to contribute, just take."

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Pie · 04-30-2010, 02:56 PM

The plural of anecdote is not statistics.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-30-2010, 03:01 PM

Statistics lie.

Sheldonrs · 04-30-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Statistics lie.

To roughly quote Mark Twain:

"There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies and statistics."

xoxoxoBruce · 04-30-2010, 06:06 PM

By the way, they rewrote the law, for Jinx.

jinx · 04-30-2010, 06:50 PM

Yeah, hopefully its clear enough that even CNN and redux's lawyer can understand it now.

classicman · 04-30-2010, 03:53 PM

So do people.

jinx · 04-30-2010, 07:04 PM

Yeah, ok, whatever. I don't think it's that complicated.

04-30-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Yeah, ok, whatever. I don't think it's that complicated.

When it is that controversial in terms of its legal merits, why not let the federal courts decide?

jinx · 04-30-2010, 07:19 PM

What is so controversial about the legal merits?
Illegal aliens can be legally approached "contacted" by law enforcement for the all same reasons as everyone else. If they want special treatment in that regard they can go fuck themselves repeatedly.
There's nothing controversial on it's face, the controversy comes in because some people disagree with immigration law period.
So take your fight there. You want open borders? Tell us why.

04-29-2010, 11:15 AM	#1
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Har. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

04-29-2010, 11:42 AM	#2
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	no one likes to think their friends and cow orkers are insensitive bigots. I'm disappointed. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-29-2010, 11:48 AM	#3
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	who's an insensitive bigot now? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

04-29-2010, 11:54 AM	#4
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	others. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-29-2010, 11:55 AM	#5
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Yeah, I hate others. jerks. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

04-30-2010, 02:56 PM	#7
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	The plural of anecdote is not statistics. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

04-30-2010, 03:01 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Statistics lie. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-30-2010, 06:06 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	By the way, they rewrote the law, for Jinx. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-30-2010, 06:50 PM	#11
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yeah, hopefully its clear enough that even CNN and redux's lawyer can understand it now. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

04-30-2010, 03:53 PM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	So do people. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-30-2010, 07:04 PM	#13
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yeah, ok, whatever. I don't think it's that complicated. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

04-30-2010, 07:19 PM	#15
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	What is so controversial about the legal merits? Illegal aliens can be legally approached "contacted" by law enforcement for the all same reasons as everyone else. If they want special treatment in that regard they can go fuck themselves repeatedly. There's nothing controversial on it's face, the controversy comes in because some people disagree with immigration law period. So take your fight there. You want open borders? Tell us why. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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