Poor, Pitiful Palin

[morethanpretty]

I did write what I mean. Again, you read it wrong. I never said anything about plain conservatism, I said far right. Do you really think you're moderate?

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Yeah because pure right wing ideology creates a perfect government, just ask any nation that has had a fascist in power. Like Germany.

Translation of Nazi Party= National Socialist Party. Socialism is a left wing, not right wing philosphy. Just sayin'.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Fascism is just as leftist as Communism

No, you're comparing Germany's Fascism with the USSR, which was not Communism, but another dose of Fascism... and neither are left. (no pun intended)

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by spudcon

Translation of Nazi Party= National Socialist Party. Socialism is a left wing, not right wing philosphy. Just sayin'.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Because its called National Socialist Party you think it was socialism? Do a quick google search. They were fascists.

Originally Posted by wiki

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.

Just sayin'.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Or just listen for keywords and recite the appropriate talking point.

No, she'd probably listen for keywords and recite the inappropriate talking point.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Y'know, people were saying things like "Don't look at her personal life, just her policies". That is not an absolute. The one question I had for her was "Now that you know from personal experience that good teenage girls from good families have sex, have you changed your view on only funding abstinence only education?"

How do you know that she did not know previously that "good teenage girls from good families have sex"?

[xoxoxoBruce]

I read a quote where she claimed it was a surprise her kid was sexually active.
That statement surprised me, but I don't remember where I read it.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I read a quote where she claimed it was a surprise her kid was sexually active.
That statement surprised me, but I don't remember where I read it.

It has been my experience that most parents say the same thing, esp when their kid shows up prego. They knew it went on but never thought their kid did it. All the more reason to educate kids in all aspects of sex education and make contraceptives available to them when they do become sexually active.

[ZenGum]

Maybe parents need teen-sex education too.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Or contraceptives, so they aren't parents.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you know that she did not know previously that "good teenage girls from good families have sex"?

I'm saying that, giving her the benefit of the doubt, she based her 'abstinence only' decision on her personal beliefs and experience. After she was 'surprised' by her own daughter, did this alter her beliefs in any way?

The distinction between ignorance and stupidity is that the first means lack of knowledge, and the second means the inability to learn.

As a potential voter, I am curious as to her capacity for learning and adapting to new circumstances as well as doing what's best for her constituents versus what's satisfies her political base.

Give credit to Obama that on most of the major issues right now he is willing to piss off his base to get things done. From what I hear, on this specific issue Palin is still giving the party line. If she got into office and her worldview got a shock similar to that in her personal life, would she be able and willing to adjust, even in her first term in office and looking at reelection?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by richlevy

I'm saying that, giving her the benefit of the doubt, she based her 'abstinence only' decision on her personal beliefs and experience. After she was 'surprised' by her own daughter, did this alter her beliefs in any way?

The distinction between ignorance and stupidity is that the first means lack of knowledge, and the second means the inability to learn.

As a potential voter, I am curious as to her capacity for learning and adapting to new circumstances as well as doing what's best for her constituents versus what's satisfies her political base.

What constituents? She is not in any office. She is not running for office. She wrote a book and is trying to become a mouth piece for the far Right. Why demonize a mother who is not unlike any other mother surprised by a teen pregnacy who is her daughter.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What constituents? She is not in any office. She is not running for office. She wrote a book and is trying to become a mouth piece for the far Right. Why demonize a mother who is not unlike any other mother surprised by a teen pregnacy who is her daughter.

A) What makes you think she isn't running for office or will be. There is every possibility that she will present herself as a candidate and I have every right to gather information and form opinions.

B) This isn't about her being a mother. This is about her remaining a political figure publicly lobbying for policies which her personal experience demonstrates as unworkable.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by richlevy

A) What makes you think she isn't running for office or will be.

Because to date there is no evidence that she is or will.

There is every possibility that she will present herself as a candidate and I have every right to gather information and form opinions.

Oh, I had never said anything to contrary.

B) This isn't about her being a mother. This is about her remaining a political figure publicly lobbying for policies which her personal experience demonstrates as unworkable.

Her personal experience as a mother who happened to have a daughter who made a bad decision, on her own, has nothing to do with her personal views or public lobbying for any policy which supports her moral views. Don't get me wrong, I am no Holy Roller, and do not support the hard right views on many things, including crap Palin has supported. My point is just because a teen daughter fucks up and screws some dude and has a baby has nothing to do with Palin the Right-wing supporter. Her daughters pregnancy is not part of what Palin may or may not believe she wanted her daughter to do or not do. Why doesn't anyone attack any of the left wing mothers who are in congress? Pelosi must be one fucked up mother with 6 kids she is neglecting as she screws this country up right?

[classicman]

I still wish she would go away - just fade off into the sunset - your 15 minutes of fame or whatever are over. I am still shocked that anyone - ANYONE still feels she is a viable candidate for anything.