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09-09-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No. But I still fully support it for those who are convicted and deserve it. It is certainly a moral delima for the legal system and society at large.

It is not a moral dilemma for me.

I am not willing to support a system that allows the state to execute one innocent person.

Shawnee123 · 09-09-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512

As an American you should care. Part of the basis for the formation of the US was the respect of the rights of the individual. Not just you. Every individual.

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Originally Posted by Redux

It is not a moral dilemma for me.

I am not willing to support a system that allows the state to execute one innocent person.

Amen, and amen.

TheMercenary · 09-09-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Redux

It is not a moral dilemma for me.

I am not willing to support a system that allows the state to execute one innocent person.

Good for you.

Shawnee123 · 09-09-2009, 11:27 AM

There is, of course, reasonable doubt as to the guilt of one Bruno Hauptmann. However, there had to be closure on The Crime of the Century, in the public eye.

09-09-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Good for you.

IMO, shrugging it off as a moral dilemma and a "good for you" is a cop-out.

Just admit that you are willing to accept that an innocent person can be put to death to preserve a flawed system of justice.

classicman · 09-09-2009, 11:35 AM

Well thats no fun. Way to kill a discussion.

Shawnee123 · 09-09-2009, 11:36 AM

Me and Redux sure can clear a room.

09-09-2009, 11:41 AM

I brought lunch!

Kung Pao Chicken.

Shawnee123 · 09-09-2009, 11:42 AM

Trade you my salad...

09-09-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Trade you my salad...

Even death row inmates deserve a better lunch than salad.

Flint · 09-09-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

So is it acceptable to you, assuming you are a capital punishment supporter, that even one innocent person be executed?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No. But I still fully support it for those who are convicted and deserve it. It is certainly a moral delima for the legal system and society at large.

You can't answer "no" to that question unless you knowingly choose to exit the realm of reality. If you accept that the system is not 100% infallible, and you accept that said system has the power to take a human life, and you support said system, then you have to answer "yes" to the question, i.e. it must, logically, be acceptable to that an innocent person could be put to death by the state. You can choose to ignore this, but palming it off on "society" doesn't make it go away, or remove you from taking responsibility for your own position.

lookout123 · 09-09-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

As an American you should care. Part of the basis for the formation of the US was the respect of the rights of the individual. Not just you. Every individual.

Why? It is my right as an individual not to care.

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Originally Posted by Redux View Post
So is it acceptable to you, assuming you are a capital punishment supporter, that even one innocent person be executed?

Apparently so.

piercehawkeye45 · 09-09-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

We the tax payers don't have to pay for the care, food, accomidations and education of those prisoners. That is the pay off...

I personally don't want to pay for keeping ANY prisoner... solution: kill em or put them to work to support their own keep. Let them make the decision for themselves. Make sure you tax them yearly and charge them for the cost of the wasted realestate space that the prison is located on while you're at it... make the prsion 100% self sustaining. There is no reason they can't grow their own food, use old parts to build solar panels and turbines to supply power. Prisioner don't need gyms or TV... let them work the fields. Its healthier and cheeper. Strip away all the nicities... no vending machines... no basket ball courts or play yards. No cafeteria... they can eat in their cells. No education... donated books and a library only. No internet. In fact... now that I think about it ... what is wrong with letting them live like the Amish. Its a good clean healthy lifestyle that costs the rest of us nothing.

No no no no no no no no no.

Ideally, this is a good solution and I used to fully support this but with this setup, it becomes profitable for the government to have more prisoners. If we had this setup, what social control would we have to prevent rampant classist laws from rounding up all the people that are doing nothing for our economy (unemployed, etc) and putting them in prison on bullshit charges?

Remember the story a while back where a large amount of teenagers were sent to a private juvenile detention facility on bullshit charges because the judge was paid off by the detention facility? The risk of this happening is too large for me to trust any prison system that works for profit, private or public. I don't care how much of social burden someone is, as long as they stay within the law, they should not have their freedom taken away.

dar512 · 09-09-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

So is it acceptable to you, assuming you are a capital punishment supporter, that even one innocent person be executed?

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Apparently so.

To answer your question in another thread. Yes, I think this position qualifies you for the official heartless bastard sticker in the largest available size.

lookout123 · 09-09-2009, 01:23 PM

Fair enough. When that bothers me I'll let you know.

I don't subscribe to the "it is better to let a thousand guilty people go than to convict one guilty person" philosophy. I believe that if you find that one innocent person you should fight for them with everything you've got, rather than scrapping the system because someone fell through the cracks.

If that seems cold and calculating, it is, but this is just these are just words on the web. If you introduced me to a real flesh and blood person I might articulate my belief differently, but the point would still be the same.

09-09-2009, 11:27 AM	#124
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	There is, of course, reasonable doubt as to the guilt of one Bruno Hauptmann. However, there had to be closure on The Crime of the Century, in the public eye. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-09-2009, 11:35 AM	#126
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Well thats no fun. Way to kill a discussion. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-09-2009, 11:36 AM	#127
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Me and Redux sure can clear a room. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-09-2009, 11:42 AM	#129
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Trade you my salad... __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-09-2009, 01:23 PM	#135
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Fair enough. When that bothers me I'll let you know. I don't subscribe to the "it is better to let a thousand guilty people go than to convict one guilty person" philosophy. I believe that if you find that one innocent person you should fight for them with everything you've got, rather than scrapping the system because someone fell through the cracks. If that seems cold and calculating, it is, but this is just these are just words on the web. If you introduced me to a real flesh and blood person I might articulate my belief differently, but the point would still be the same. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-09-2009, 11:41 AM	#128
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	I brought lunch! Kung Pao Chicken.

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