Bush goes out his with usual class - Page 9

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-01-2009, 11:05 PM

Nice if he can, redux. But it was doing things that way that cost us the Beirut Marine Barracks, a hole in the USS Cole, and the WTC in the first place.

The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war.

No, the Democratic Party has refused for long years to actually try and fight this war against the forces of undemocracy and oppression, which is why the Dem Party is so very untrustworthy and not trusted among freedom's disciples. What a pack of myopic morons!

Meanwhile, redux, you don't strike me as irredeemably stupid -- have a look at Thomas P.M. Barnett's works and tell me what you think. Maybe he's only got a corner of what we'll actually need in this new century, but it looks to be a well-done corner. I'm sorry my compliment is so lefthanded -- but there are people here who really seem to want to stay dumb, and these are the people who fight me hardest.

02-02-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war.

The fact that ouor enemies dont have a nation is a reason why many experts believe that a militry response is not the most effective.

The Rand Corp, a conservative DoD connected think tank, addressed the issue in a recent report:

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[A recent RAND research effort sheds light on this issue by investigating how terrorist groups have ended in the past. By analyzing a comprehensive roster of terrorist groups that existed worldwide between 1968 and 2006, the authors found that most groups ended because of operations carried out by local police or intelligence agencies or because they negotiated a settlement with their governments. Military force was rarely the primary reason a terrorist group ended, and few groups within this time frame achieved victory.

These findings suggest that the U.S. approach to countering al Qa'ida has focused far too much on the use of military force. Instead, policing and intelligence should be the backbone of U.S. efforts.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_br...51/index1.html

UG..you might also recall several NIEs over the last few years that concluded that our Iraq invasion/occupation and our actions at GITMO have created a "cause celebre" for terrorism recruitment.

The military is not always the answer in counterting terrorism and forging new democracies.

Clodfobble · 02-02-2009, 05:21 PM

But lots of Dwellars do!

Ha ha.
Ha.

classicman · 02-02-2009, 06:02 PM

Even though you are probably makin fun of me clod - that was good

Clodfobble · 02-02-2009, 06:03 PM

Nah, you weren't even one of the ones I had in mind. Not that I had anyone in particular in mind...

Aliantha · 02-02-2009, 06:08 PM

You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared.

Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of.

TGRR · 02-07-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared.

Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of.

Office.

I am glad I lived to see it. If God is kind, in 20 years or so, I'll still be around to lay a steaming pile of "respect" on his grave.

Sundae · 02-08-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared.

Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of.

Wow - shows how our brains fill in the gaps. I had to go back and check the thread title - I had no idea a word was missing.

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Originally Posted by TGRR

I am glad I lived to see it. If God is kind, in 20 years or so, I'll still be around to lay a steaming pile of "respect" on his grave.

I have a standing date with Trafalgar Squre when Maggie finally hangs up her cloven hooves. I will be there for the party, singing Elvis Costello ("...and when they finally, put you in the ground, I'll stand on your grave, and tramp. The. Dirt down.")

TGRR · 02-08-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Wow - shows how our brains fill in the gaps. I had to go back and check the thread title - I had no idea a word was missing.

I have a standing date with Trafalgar Squre when Maggie finally hangs up her cloven hooves. I will be there for the party, singing Elvis Costello ("...and when they finally, put you in the ground, I'll stand on your grave, and tramp. The. Dirt down.")

What song is that, again?

Sundae · 02-08-2009, 03:46 PM

Tramp the Dirt Down by Elvis Costello

In case you're serious

TGRR · 02-08-2009, 05:12 PM

Very serious.

However, having seen it, I am kinda disappointed. I have always liked Elvis Costello, but that isn't his best work.

Still, I appreciate the sentiment.

DanaC · 02-09-2009, 01:08 AM

Altogether now.... "I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more! No I ain't gonna work on Maggies farm no more!"

and let's finish off with a rousing chorus of "Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" and a quick burst of "Maggie, Maggie Maggie.....Out! Out! Out!"

Sundae, I think you just flipped some kind of switch in my head...

Aliantha · 02-09-2009, 01:09 AM

Well something's flipped. lol

TheMercenary · 02-09-2009, 08:37 AM

The ones you never get to read about in the papers. Here is a sample list of those publically known.

I do the history surrounding the eventual death and killing of Pablo Esocbar.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...tlanticmonthA/

There is a short list of killed and captured on wiki which should be easily substantiated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists

1998 U.S. embassy bombings

http://www.indopedia.org/1998_U.S._e..._bombings.html

Abu Zubaydah

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terro...aydah_4-2.html

Abu Sabaya

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200703/bowden-jihad

Kaplan nails most of how and why to do it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/i...2003-06-18.htm

TGRR · 02-09-2009, 08:50 PM

Nice.

On the other hand, the CIA tried to kill Castro 26 times that we know of, including once with an exploding seashell (for Chrissakes).

Also, there's the mess with Allende.

So I'd say we're batting about .200. Not bad, but not Babe Ruth, either.

02-01-2009, 11:05 PM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Nice if he can, redux. But it was doing things that way that cost us the Beirut Marine Barracks, a hole in the USS Cole, and the WTC in the first place. The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war. No, the Democratic Party has refused for long years to actually try and fight this war against the forces of undemocracy and oppression, which is why the Dem Party is so very untrustworthy and not trusted among freedom's disciples. What a pack of myopic morons! Meanwhile, redux, you don't strike me as irredeemably stupid -- have a look at Thomas P.M. Barnett's works and tell me what you think. Maybe he's only got a corner of what we'll actually need in this new century, but it looks to be a well-done corner. I'm sorry my compliment is so lefthanded -- but there are people here who really seem to want to stay dumb, and these are the people who fight me hardest. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 02-01-2009 at 11:12 PM.

02-02-2009, 05:21 PM	#3
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	But lots of Dwellars do! Ha ha. Ha. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

02-02-2009, 06:02 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Even though you are probably makin fun of me clod - that was good __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-02-2009, 06:03 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Nah, you weren't even one of the ones I had in mind. Not that I had anyone in particular in mind... __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

02-02-2009, 06:08 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared. Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-08-2009, 03:46 PM	#10
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Tramp the Dirt Down by Elvis Costello In case you're serious __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

02-08-2009, 05:12 PM	#11
TGRR Horrible Bastard Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: High Desert, Arizona Posts: 1,103	Very serious. However, having seen it, I am kinda disappointed. I have always liked Elvis Costello, but that isn't his best work. Still, I appreciate the sentiment.

02-09-2009, 01:08 AM	#12
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Altogether now.... "I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more! No I ain't gonna work on Maggies farm no more!" and let's finish off with a rousing chorus of "Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" and a quick burst of "Maggie, Maggie Maggie.....Out! Out! Out!" Sundae, I think you just flipped some kind of switch in my head...

02-09-2009, 01:09 AM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well something's flipped. lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-09-2009, 08:37 AM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	The ones you never get to read about in the papers. Here is a sample list of those publically known. I do the history surrounding the eventual death and killing of Pablo Esocbar. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...tlanticmonthA/ There is a short list of killed and captured on wiki which should be easily substantiated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists 1998 U.S. embassy bombings http://www.indopedia.org/1998_U.S._e..._bombings.html Abu Zubaydah http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terro...aydah_4-2.html Abu Sabaya http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200703/bowden-jihad Kaplan nails most of how and why to do it. http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/i...2003-06-18.htm __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-09-2009, 08:50 PM	#15
TGRR Horrible Bastard Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: High Desert, Arizona Posts: 1,103	Nice. On the other hand, the CIA tried to kill Castro 26 times that we know of, including once with an exploding seashell (for Chrissakes). Also, there's the mess with Allende. So I'd say we're batting about .200. Not bad, but not Babe Ruth, either.

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