Saddam to Swing - Page 9

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-10-2006, 08:33 PM

He's trying to be ironic for no worthwhile reason. I'm serving him notice that his irony is therefore a failure. In an ironic tone, no less. :p

Anti-death-penalty people just don't come off as either practical or, ultimately, moral.

And if the death penalty is so ineffective as a deterrent, can you explain then why, with the option available to waive appeals at any stage, less than one condemned in a hundred does anything other than exercise all of his appeals? The big reason death sentences are so costly in the United States is because we are as a rule meticulous in how we apply them: we spend the money being careful. Contrast this with the Chinese method, if you like.

Aliantha · 12-10-2006, 08:37 PM

So because China - in your eyes - is more brutal about the way they put people to death means that the US - in your eyes - is better or less wrong?

Do you see any double standard in the view you have expressed here UG?

I see someone trying to condemn someone else for doing the same thing but differently. That's a double standard. Where's the morality there?

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-10-2006, 10:07 PM

I think you are missing my point: we're careful about it, whereas Red China, whose execution count is fourteen million and ticking, clearly is not, and spreads the death penalty unduly wide in any event. A bad habit of the un-democracies, you know, and one of the surest signs of such a thing.

And something a real understander of good and evil never does is mistake "damage control" for "evil also." Familiarity with how somebody gets on death row in the first place is enough to tell the perceptive man that there are some lives over which death is actually an improvement.

Aliantha · 12-10-2006, 10:08 PM

Geez UG, I would have thought you'd be happy about all those 'commies' killing each other off.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-11-2006, 11:42 PM

What, instead of viewing it as commies (and commies' lackeys) killing plain folks?

Aliantha · 12-12-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

What, instead of viewing it as commies (and commies' lackeys) killing plain folks?

Well aren't all Chinese communists? Pardon me for asking such a obvious question, but seriously UG, if you live in a communist country then you must be a communist - by the definitions of some cellar dwellars.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-12-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well aren't all Chinese communists? Pardon me for asking such a obvious question, but seriously UG, if you live in a communist country then you must be a communist - by the definitions of some cellar dwellars.

And you'd insist that I'd have to define it that way because...?

Party cadre is a pretty small percentage of the population, no?

Aliantha · 12-12-2006, 01:20 AM

Yesman...according to UG, quick death penalties aren't working in communist countries, so it probably wouldn't work in the US, unless of course, you could do it better than the Chinese.

BigV · 12-12-2006, 09:57 AM

What, UG, the Chinese have no right to self defense?

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-15-2006, 08:11 PM

Makes plenty of sense to me, rkzen; dictators do it wholesale, gangsters, retail. It's all coercion, which I believe was Bruce's point.

Aliantha · 12-15-2006, 08:32 PM

Would it surprise anyone here to know that some people would consider the US to be tyrants anyway? (in response to this quote - Again... our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants, and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.)

xoxoxoBruce · 12-16-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Would it surprise anyone here to know that some people would consider the US to be tyrants anyway?

Remove us from tyrants, not you.

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Hopefully everyone cares if they raped anyone's child. That has nothing to do with the realities of mental health.

Exactly, mental health has nothing to do with child molesters. I was responding to;

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There is no such thing as just "nuts", everyone does everthing they do for a reason.

I don't give a shit why they molested a child. Fry 'em.

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a life sentance with no parole means no repeat offenses.

It also means there will be no rehabilitation and no reintroduction to society, so what the hell is the point of spending a fortune and considerable law enforcement resources, to keep these scumbags alive?

12-16-2006, 03:49 PM

Sure, and I have made it clear that I am fully in support of removing said power structure and returning to a strictly Constitutional one.

Aliantha · 12-16-2006, 11:12 PM

Remove us from tyrants, not you.

What do you mean by this Bruce?

xoxoxoBruce · 12-17-2006, 01:05 PM

"our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants"

12-10-2006, 08:33 PM	#1
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	He's trying to be ironic for no worthwhile reason. I'm serving him notice that his irony is therefore a failure. In an ironic tone, no less. :p Anti-death-penalty people just don't come off as either practical or, ultimately, moral. And if the death penalty is so ineffective as a deterrent, can you explain then why, with the option available to waive appeals at any stage, less than one condemned in a hundred does anything other than exercise all of his appeals? The big reason death sentences are so costly in the United States is because we are as a rule meticulous in how we apply them: we spend the money being careful. Contrast this with the Chinese method, if you like. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 12-10-2006 at 10:08 PM.

12-10-2006, 08:37 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So because China - in your eyes - is more brutal about the way they put people to death means that the US - in your eyes - is better or less wrong? Do you see any double standard in the view you have expressed here UG? I see someone trying to condemn someone else for doing the same thing but differently. That's a double standard. Where's the morality there? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-10-2006, 10:07 PM	#3
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I think you are missing my point: we're careful about it, whereas Red China, whose execution count is fourteen million and ticking, clearly is not, and spreads the death penalty unduly wide in any event. A bad habit of the un-democracies, you know, and one of the surest signs of such a thing. And something a real understander of good and evil never does is mistake "damage control" for "evil also." Familiarity with how somebody gets on death row in the first place is enough to tell the perceptive man that there are some lives over which death is actually an improvement. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 12-10-2006 at 10:11 PM.

12-10-2006, 10:08 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Geez UG, I would have thought you'd be happy about all those 'commies' killing each other off. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-11-2006, 11:42 PM	#5
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	What, instead of viewing it as commies (and commies' lackeys) killing plain folks? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-12-2006, 01:20 AM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yesman...according to UG, quick death penalties aren't working in communist countries, so it probably wouldn't work in the US, unless of course, you could do it better than the Chinese. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-12-2006, 09:57 AM	#9
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	What, UG, the Chinese have no right to self defense? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

12-15-2006, 08:11 PM	#10
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Makes plenty of sense to me, rkzen; dictators do it wholesale, gangsters, retail. It's all coercion, which I believe was Bruce's point. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-15-2006, 08:32 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Would it surprise anyone here to know that some people would consider the US to be tyrants anyway? (in response to this quote - Again... our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants, and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.) __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-16-2006, 03:49 PM	#13
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Sure, and I have made it clear that I am fully in support of removing said power structure and returning to a strictly Constitutional one.

12-16-2006, 11:12 PM	#14
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Remove us from tyrants, not you. What do you mean by this Bruce? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-17-2006, 01:05 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	"our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants" __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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