What it means to be an American - Page 9

Ibby · 06-11-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesieQ

70%?...so with that blissful ignorance, get the hell out there and make the system change!! If your house & car won't be re-possessed, if you aren't hogtied to a job, if you don't have debt in the thousands, if you have no kids to feed and haven't had to face your mortality, then you have the time and wherewithal to make it happen! Make it happen, Cap'n!!

...Er, I was kidding.

I have a firm enough grasp of the world to know what I'm talking about, else I don't talk about it. I will always fully admit when I don't have the expeirence to know something. I can usually hold my own with people older than me... at least, I think I can.

I DO know that I know more about the world around me than most people my age. Not because I'm arrogant; I am arrogant sometimes, but I know when I'm being so. I know that I know more because I WANT to know more. I can't say the same about the majority of fifteen-year-olds.

Again, mellow out.

skysidhe · 06-11-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by [B

xoxoxoBruce[/b]] Now I'm happy to just keep my shit together

amen brother

primal muse · 06-11-2006, 04:32 PM

and to any one ive offended i'll come out and say this.
i express my opinions with force because i like the forceful results i get from other people.
anything you believe in should always be carried out with a sense of passion.
and im not one of those little girls who will let everything you say go into one ear and out of the other.
i do take into account that youre older and have been alive longer than me. and it would be a flat out lie to say im not still angst ridden and confused.
but conversations like this help me make sense of it all.
ive always firmly believed that you can never have an educated opinion on anything unless you look at it from every different angle that you possibly can, hence i thrive on debates like this.
i really didnt mean to come up in here acting like a snotty know it all which is pretty much the aire i gave off.
im just a passionate person when it comes to what i believe in.
my apologies.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-11-2006, 06:30 PM

Primal, no apologies necessary. The only problem I see is you were yelling at the choir. Stick around and I think you'll find most of the people in the Cellar are aware of the problems with our system and society.
It's a good place to bounce ideas or vent, just don't assume we're the enemy.

You'll fit in fine.

jonesieQ · 06-11-2006, 01:30 PM

"Even middle-class insured families often fall prey to financial catastrophe when sick."

The sickening part of it is that in order to get any help from the state in dealing with a catastrophic illness the family first has to use up all savings, all assets, liquidate holdings, and sell their home. Which means, to an older retired self-sufficient couple, everything they worked for has to go and because they're older, they won't have the time or opportunity to build it all up again. So in order to live, you must give up your life and all you worked for.

And all so stockholders and leaders of the insurance industry and their lobbyists can pocket their returns.

Anybody seen "Bullworth"?

capnhowdy · 06-11-2006, 08:31 PM

PM.....
Please Do voice your opinions with force. That has always been my (as well as many others here) practice. I have and will feel strongly enough about my values , especially when it comes to these US, that I was and am willing to fight and die for them.

Do yourself a favor and don't be offended when someone else voices theirs. I never look down to 'younger folks' as I remember being your age. You are the future of our country.

Ever consider the Marine Corps? You could really put your views in action there. Of course you'd have to move out of Mom's house.

Welcome to the Cellar. I think we'll get along just fine.

primal muse · 06-12-2006, 03:35 AM

thanks for being so understanding guys. i think im going to like it here.

jonesieQ · 06-12-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by primal muse

thanks for being so understanding guys. i think im going to like it here.

Primal -- CapnHowdy and Bruce said it all. And I'm a passionate among apathetics too....which is why I joined the Cellar. Being able to hang out with opinionated, outspoken, intelligent, sometimes obnoxious, funny, folks...it's kinda like home

So, one newbie to another, stick around, we'll have some fun, maybe even find some answers!!

primal muse · 06-12-2006, 01:00 PM

i must say the atmosphere around here is much different from other boards im on.
people are clever, but extremely childish on other boards.
i like the fact that there's older people around here. perhaps i can learn a thing or two.

skysidhe · 06-18-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by primal muse

i must say the atmosphere around here is much different from other boards im on.
people are clever, but extremely childish on other boards.
i like the fact that there's older people around here. perhaps i can learn a thing or two.

I so know what you mean. Welcome!

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Frequently fickle, often obstreperous.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Partially passionate. :p

richlevy · 06-12-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesieQ

sometimes obnoxious

Wait a minute, only sometimes obnoxious? I mean, here I am, putting in my best effort day after day, and all I rate is sometimes obnoxious?

I mean, what's next, mostly harmless?

xoxoxoBruce · 06-12-2006, 09:21 PM

Partially passionate. :p

Ibby · 06-12-2006, 01:19 PM

I know I have.

You oughtta check out the politics and current events forums. They're fun, and sure to raise your blood pressure.

Griff · 06-12-2006, 02:52 PM

What it means to be an American

It means you will learn to hate our youth footb... er soccer programs which crush individual initiative in favor of a boring team game which won't get us anywhere in the cup.

capnhowdy · 06-13-2006, 03:44 PM

almost positive

06-11-2006, 04:32 PM	#3
primal muse ive been mad for fucking years Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in a low place like home Posts: 27	and to any one ive offended i'll come out and say this. i express my opinions with force because i like the forceful results i get from other people. anything you believe in should always be carried out with a sense of passion. and im not one of those little girls who will let everything you say go into one ear and out of the other. i do take into account that youre older and have been alive longer than me. and it would be a flat out lie to say im not still angst ridden and confused. but conversations like this help me make sense of it all. ive always firmly believed that you can never have an educated opinion on anything unless you look at it from every different angle that you possibly can, hence i thrive on debates like this. i really didnt mean to come up in here acting like a snotty know it all which is pretty much the aire i gave off. im just a passionate person when it comes to what i believe in. my apologies. __________________ if you only knew all the love that ive found its hard to keep my soul on the ground Blasphemy Forums

06-11-2006, 06:30 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Primal, no apologies necessary. The only problem I see is you were yelling at the choir. Stick around and I think you'll find most of the people in the Cellar are aware of the problems with our system and society. It's a good place to bounce ideas or vent, just don't assume we're the enemy. You'll fit in fine. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-11-2006, 08:31 PM	#6
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	PM..... Please Do voice your opinions with force. That has always been my (as well as many others here) practice. I have and will feel strongly enough about my values , especially when it comes to these US, that I was and am willing to fight and die for them. Do yourself a favor and don't be offended when someone else voices theirs. I never look down to 'younger folks' as I remember being your age. You are the future of our country. Ever consider the Marine Corps? You could really put your views in action there. Of course you'd have to move out of Mom's house. Welcome to the Cellar. I think we'll get along just fine. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

06-12-2006, 03:35 AM	#7
primal muse ive been mad for fucking years Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in a low place like home Posts: 27	thanks for being so understanding guys. i think im going to like it here. __________________ if you only knew all the love that ive found its hard to keep my soul on the ground Blasphemy Forums

06-12-2006, 01:00 PM	#9
primal muse ive been mad for fucking years Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in a low place like home Posts: 27	i must say the atmosphere around here is much different from other boards im on. people are clever, but extremely childish on other boards. i like the fact that there's older people around here. perhaps i can learn a thing or two. __________________ if you only knew all the love that ive found its hard to keep my soul on the ground Blasphemy Forums

06-11-2006, 01:30 PM	#5
jonesieQ Paramour of Paradigm Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 42	"Even middle-class insured families often fall prey to financial catastrophe when sick." The sickening part of it is that in order to get any help from the state in dealing with a catastrophic illness the family first has to use up all savings, all assets, liquidate holdings, and sell their home. Which means, to an older retired self-sufficient couple, everything they worked for has to go and because they're older, they won't have the time or opportunity to build it all up again. So in order to live, you must give up your life and all you worked for. And all so stockholders and leaders of the insurance industry and their lobbyists can pocket their returns. Anybody seen "Bullworth"?

06-12-2006, 09:21 PM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Partially passionate. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-12-2006, 01:19 PM	#13
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I know I have. You oughtta check out the politics and current events forums. They're fun, and sure to raise your blood pressure. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

06-12-2006, 02:52 PM	#14
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	What it means to be an American It means you will learn to hate our youth footb... er soccer programs which crush individual initiative in favor of a boring team game which won't get us anywhere in the cup. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-13-2006, 03:44 PM	#15
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	almost positive __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

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