Mexico Is Gonna Sue Us.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

My memory is longer than yours...

Maybe. I kinda doubt it.

I remeber Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Regan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43. (I actually *remeber* Eisenhower but I wasn't hooked into politics at that age. )

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...and I've never been on the sidelines,

No, but the liberals have.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Gore might have surprised you/us by gathering a consensus rather than following a script written back in the 90s....

"Gathering a consensus"....delightful. Maybe he'd try to "conduct a dialog" or "raise conciousness", too. Clearly not CinC material...and to my shame I was willing to overlook that. Never again.

I seem to recall Gore was on the payroll when the script-writing was going on in the 90's.

Of Carter, Clinton, Gore and Kerry, I wouldn't want to have seen any of that lot at the helm on 9/11. For all his flaws Kennedy might have been able to handle it... he did OK with nukes in Cuba. But it's a highly subjunctive stretch... 2001 is not 1963.


And to get back on topic:

Originally Posted by Jorge Santibanez, pres. College of the Northern Border

For too long, Mexico has boasted about immigrants leaving, calling them national heroes, instead of describing them as actors in a national tragedy; and it has boasted about the growth in remittances as an indicator of success, when it is really an indicator of failure.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

And who could be more on the sidelines than young Jag here...


Hey! Who let you shoot their AK? I'm thinking about getting one for my birtyhday.
It's either than or a KelTec Sub-2000. I can't afford a PS-90 or a tricked-out M1A.

The Sub2K is a hell of a lot of fun in an inexpensive gun package. Make sure that you get the grip config that matches your carry piece and you are good to go. I had one fairly soon after they hit the market and caused quite a stir at the range I took it to ... nobody had seen one before. KelTec's customer service is awesome, btw.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

I seem to recall Gore was on the payroll when the script-writing was going on in the 90's.

No, the script was written by the PNAC.

[jaguar]

looks like it's easier to meander off-topic than answer my point. You threw out a spurious remark, I replied in kind, quelle horreur!

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by jaguar

looks like it's easier to meander off-topic than answer my point.

You didn't make one.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No, the script was written by the PNAC.

I meant the episode where you deceide to let Bin Laden go because he's vacationing with friends. I don't see any reason to have expected anything different from Gore.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by wolf

Make sure that you get the grip config that matches your carry piece and you are good to go.

Yeah, well...my P-11 takes S&W mags. I'm seriously thinking about the Glock 17 version though because I wouldn't mind at all a pistol-caliber carbine with 33-round magazines.

[wolf]

That's why I have the Glock 22 Mag grip ... I have the stick for the .40, and I like the better one-shot stop percentages.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Maybe. I kinda doubt it.

I remeber Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Regan, Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43. (I actually *remeber* Eisenhower but I wasn't hooked into politics at that age. )

We got an "I like Ike" bumper sticker in the mail so I stuck it on the family car. What I didn't know was Pop was refused endorsement by the Republicans for reelection two nights before, so he was pissed. He ran as an independent and won handily.

No, but the liberals have.

That's a pretty broad brush.

"Gathering a consensus"....delightful. Maybe he'd try to "conduct a dialog" or "raise conciousness", too. Clearly not CinC material...and to my shame I was willing to overlook that. Never again.

Yes "gathering a consensus", isn't that what the Congress is for......advice and consent?

I seem to recall Gore was on the payroll when the script-writing was going on in the 90's.

Not of The New American Century.

Of Carter, Clinton, Gore and Kerry, I wouldn't want to have seen any of that lot at the helm on 9/11.

Because they wouldn't have driven the bad guys out of Afghanistan, back to Pakistan....temporarily?
Because they wouldn't have gotten us into this Iraq fiasco?
Because they wouldn't have pissed off half the world?
Because they wouldn't have swiss cheesed the Constitution?
Because they wouldn't have secured our borders?

At least Bill doing Monica was consentual, W doing me, is not.
Nixon and Bush piss me off the most, because I voted for both (once) and I feel personally betrayed.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

I meant the episode where you deceide to let Bin Laden go because he's vacationing with friends.

I meant the bit where you decide to let Bin Laden go because you really wanted to attack Saddam all along.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I meant the bit where you decide to let Bin Laden go because you really wanted to attack Saddam all along.

Hardly comparable...Clinton/Gone didn't even take the shot when it was stone easy. Bush at least tried when it was much harder. His mistake was trying to appease the gang who was criticizing him for "acting unilaterally" and "being a cowboy" by letting the locals take Bin Laden on in the mountains.

Not the same thing at all as a clean shot in open desert in 1999.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes "gathering a consensus", isn't that what the Congress is for......advice and consent?

Read II.2 as to what "Advice and Consent" applies to.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What I didn't know was Pop was refused endorsement by the Republicans for reelection two nights before, so he was pissed. He ran as an independent and won handily.

No kidding...what office?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Not the same thing at all as a clean shot in open desert in 1999.

To what are you referring?

Originally Posted by wikipedia

{*}In response to these attacks, President Bill Clinton ordered a freeze on assets linked to bin Laden. Clinton also signed an executive order, authorizing bin Laden's arrest or assassination. In August 1998, the U.S. launched an attack using cruise missiles. The attack failed to harm bin Laden but killed 19 other people. The U.S. offered a US $25 million reward for information leading to bin Laden's apprehension or conviction and, in 1999, convinced the United Nations to impose sanctions against Afghanistan in an attempt to force the Taliban to extradite him.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Hardly comparable...Clinton/Gone didn't even take the shot when it was stone easy. Bush at least tried when it was much harder. His mistake was trying to appease the gang who was criticizing him for "acting unilaterally" and "being a cowboy" by letting the locals take Bin Laden on in the mountains.

Not the same thing at all as a clean shot in open desert in 1999.

C'mon, Clinton was playing Battleship. Try to figure out where he is and shoot that coordinate......long shot at best.

Bush blew it, when the whole world understood Afghanistan was expected, by sending in a small force to take Kabul, instead of doing it right and committing enough resources to seal the borders.
Probably, not to ofend the Pakis
He did the same thing in Iraq.