Anger Over Mohammed Cartoon

[wolf]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The only ones that are pesecuting these people are their religious leaders.

The religious leaders are really just aiding and abetting.

All of this shit is in the Koran, spelled out in plain English. errr, Arabic.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by wolf

The religious leaders are really just aiding and abetting.
All of this shit is in the Koran, spelled out in plain English. errr, Arabic.

Just about any Book you look at will have its fair share of shit. What makes the Koran any worse than the OT? or any other "Because I Said So!" treatise?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yes.....look how people take shit from the bible, epecially the old testament, and use it to justify stupid behavior.

[FallenFairy]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

The problem is, protests like this happen because of a situation that many of these people are not to blame for. In fact, the majority of them are not to blame for any of it. They're just sick and tired of being persecuted because they believe in Allah and not God. They're sick and tired of being persecuted because some of their members are fruitloops. They're sick and tired of being persecuted because of the way they dress or how they look. They're sick and tired of being persecuted full stop.

Even the gentlest creature will react with violence if you taunt it enough.

Does that apply to Christians too?? Hmm.... I certainly hope so!



Crimson Ghost - Your post was phenominal!! I thank you for your service in the USMC, and for that post.

[Aliantha]

Bruce, I found this information here:

Rate of change of Christians and Muslims:

Of the two largest religions, the "market share" of Christianity appears to be fairly constant:

*U.S. Center for World Mission estimated in 1997 that the percentage of humans who regard themselves as Christians rose from 33.7% in 1970 to 33.9% in 1996. 2 Its total number of adherents is growing at about 2.3% annually. This is approximately equal to the growth rate of the world's population. Islam is growing faster: about 2.9% and is thus increasing its market share.
* "World Christian Encyclopedia: A comparative survey of churches and religions - AD 30 to 2200," estimates that as of 2000, Christians make up 33% of the world's population, with close to two billion followers.
*Author Samuel Huntington disagrees: "The percentage of Christians in the world peaked at about 30 % in the 1980s, leveled off, is now declining, and will probably approximate to about 25% of the world's population by 2025. As a result of their extremely high rates of population growth, the proportion of Muslims in the world will continue to increase dramatically, amounting to 20 percent of the world's population about the turn of the century, surpassing the number of Christians some years later, and probably accounting for about 30 percent of the world's population by 2025." 3
*The UK Christian Handbook has lower figures. They estimate that 28.3% of the world's population identified themselves as Christians in 1990. They expect this to drop to 27.7% by the year 2000, and to 27.1 in 2010. 4 They attribute the drop to the lower birth rate among Christians compared to followers of other religions.

Considering that these arguments seem fairly weighted and are from what would appear to be reliable sources, it would seem clear that my first claim that

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world

was correct. I will concede that Christianity is not outnumbered yet, but if these figures are true, we're only one generation from that becomming a fact.

The rest of the site is worth looking at. Some of the figures are surprising.

[fargon]

Well said, Thank You Ghost. Semper Paratus fargon

[Beestie]

Note to self: add CG to my list of heroes.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Note to self: add CG to my list of heroes.

Better make it General Chuck Pitman. Or, maybe not.

Semper Fi, indeed. The author isn't even a marine.

I thought the fad of distributing and swallowing this kind of "patriotic" tripe had passed in 2003 or so. Oh well.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

I thought the fad of distributing and swallowing this kind of "patriotic" tripe had passed ...

Say what you want about me but I like patriotic tripe whoever writes it.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Say what you want about me but I like patriotic tripe whoever writes it.

Here you go, then. You'll love this one, also not written by the person it is attributed to. Maybe the one Charlie Daniels really did write will make you feel warm and tingly. Or maybe this one, entitled "You Worry Me", that includes this beauty:

We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world.

I swear I can hear Toby Keith's "Beer for my Horses" playing, quietly.

[Beestie]

Thank you. One of the things that's cool about America is that someone who loves America can have a civil discussion with someone who has little or no respect for what America stands for without either one fearing retribution from the other or from the State.

And, for the sake of discussion, do you live in America because you are not allowed to leave or because you are comfortable settling for less than some other country can offer you?

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by Beestie

One of the things that's cool about America is that someone who loves America can have a civil discussion with someone who has little or no respect for what America stands for without either one fearing retribution from the other or from the State.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Beestie

And, for the sake of discussion, do you live in America because you are not allowed to leave or because you are comfortable settling for less than some other country can offer you?

Uh... wha? Well, technically I live here because I was born here and that gave me automatic citizenship, but I continue to live here because there currently aren't any other places in this world I'd rather be. There are plenty of other countries that offer more freedom to their citizens than the US does at this moment, but I love this land, love her cities, and I love the varied culture across the regions. I couldn't leave that.

[djacq75]

There is a difference between religion and faith. A decent person of faith will take things that are decent, humane and benevolent out of any holy book and ignore the garbage. A religious fanatic will do the exact opposite.

[Aliantha]

FallenFairy said: Does that apply to Christians too?? Hmm.... I certainly hope so!

The issue under discussion at present is why Muslim demonstrators are reacting with such fervour and violence.

I find it very difficult to understand why people who support the war in Iraq continually seem to confuse the issues there with Bin Laden's actions of 9/11. These conflicts began because the Bush government was unable to find Bin Laden and the public wanted retribution so they started a war - either justified or unjustified - to take the pressure off. Believe it or not, it had nothing to do with Christian behaviour. Muslim extremism is a problem as it is in any religion.

So yes, it applies to Christians as well. The problem is, the 'Christian' ones among us seem to have lost sight of their goals, while the Muslims seem to have a very clear goal.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

These conflicts began because the Bush government was unable to find Bin Laden and the public wanted retribution so they started a war - either justified or unjustified - to take the pressure off.

No. Iraq was the goal from the start, even before 9-11.