60 Years Ago This Week

[Griff]

Originally Posted by marichiko

"purveyors of antidemocracy" - Would have the reader beleive that there is a group out there who fully understand the principles of democracy and have rejected them. In fact, there are many such groups "out there," but I would submit that the group to which UG refers - Muslims - are more xenophobic and religous fundamentalist than they are "antidemocracy." The deaths of 100,000 Iraqi civilians have only served to fuel UG's "antidemocracy" movement.

Actually I read somewhere that there is, at least among some Sunnis, the belief that democracy is a false religion.

Originally Posted by Griff

Actually I read somewhere that there is, at least among some Sunnis, the belief that democracy is a false religion.

Which really only goes to prove my point that its more about being a religious fanatic, etc. I very much doubt that Sunni clerics have sat down and read Jefferson, Locke and Hume, or studied Thomas Paine's "The Rights of Man." They think "democracy" means a bunch of Christian infidels who drop bombs out of the sky.

[tw]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Which really only goes to prove my point that its more about being a religious fanatic, etc. I very much doubt that Sunni clerics have sat down and read Jefferson, Locke and Hume, or studied Thomas Paine's "The Rights of Man." They think "democracy" means a bunch of Christian infidels who drop bombs out of the sky.

Democracy is when your government only meets when ordered to do so by American. And democracy is when Americans attack a mosque and deny it was a mosque - while all Iraqi TV and satellite news services show that mosque with pools of blood and bullet holes everywhere.

Hell - why read when Americans are physically teaching Iraqis the definition of democracy - including a president who can lie repeatedly and almost everyone in the Cellar even stays silent.

Democracy is about a president who declares "Mission Accomplished" as the country is looted. Why read Locke when the definition is better found in legalized kidnapping and death squads lead even by police commanders.

Come to think of it, tw, what do you want to bet that Jr. hasn't read the "Rights of Man," either? In fact, I bet if we were to call him up right now - pop quiz time - and ask him who Thomas Paine was, he wouldn't know, much less recognize the names Locke and Hume.

People, even "purveyors of antidemocracy" learn by example. You don't torture a man while reading him the Declaration of Independence and expect him to beleive you were serious about those words, or think for a moment that he will feel anything but contempt for that document if he ever sees it afterwards.

I don't know where the hell UG got his "moral authority" to make pronouncements for the rest of us. In the future, if he is going to make statements about the so-called "rightness" of his blind endorcement of torture, the killing of innocents, and the imposition of a foreign military regime by the US on another nation, he needs to have the integrity to stop hiding behind "we, the people" and, instead use the word "I."

Example:

Originally Posted by Urbane Godzilla

I, being a blood thirsty fool who blindly cheers any atrocity, so long as it is wrapped in the flag, in contention with the group of human beings I have selected as a target for my hatred, do. That you choose not to accept my view has very little effect on my stubborn stupidity and general malevolence.