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01-18-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I also draw a distinction between "social security" and individual "retirement plan," positing the latter and not the former, the one being governmental entitlements, the other private.

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Living offspring were the Social Security of the era.

UG, you really should leave attempts at logic alone and stick with the blatent insults.

wolf · 01-18-2006, 11:22 AM

Both of his above statements are accurate.

01-18-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Both of his above statements are accurate.

OK, Wolf, I'll bite. How? Social security is a government entitlement program. Living offspring were the social security of the first century. How are living offspring a government entitlement, especially in 1 AD? I can understand someone making the argument that a welfare Mom with 6 illegitimate children in the 21st century has them as a "government entitlement." However, saying a child born in the 1st century was the same as a government entilement program is stretching just a wee bit.

wolf · 01-19-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

OK, Wolf, I'll bite. How? Social security is a government entitlement program. Living offspring were the social security of the first century.

In a feudal society serfs are essentially considered posessions of the landholder and therefore are, in that sense, a form of government entitlement.

01-19-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

In a feudal society serfs are essentially considered posessions of the landholder and therefore are, in that sense, a form of government entitlement.

Wait! How did we suddenly leap into a feudal society with serfs? I thought we were talking about nomadic desert peoples who followed flocks of goats and sheep around. But if we are going to talk feudal society and serfs, then the analogy of living offspring/social security makes even less sense. If a person is essentially an item of property owned by someone else, then their children also become someone else's property. Joe Serf Jr. may long to help out dear old Mom in her old age, but if the evil Lord of the Manor has decreed that he go off and dig turnips somewhere a week's journey away, there's not much little Joe or his Mom can do about it, and Mom's sure not secure in her old age.

BZZZZZT!

Next meadow lark, please.

Griff · 01-20-2006, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

If a person is essentially an item of property owned by someone else, then their children also become someone else's property. Joe Serf Jr. may long to help out dear old Mom in her old age, but if the evil Lord of the Manor has decreed that he go off and dig turnips somewhere a week's journey away, there's not much little Joe or his Mom can do about it, and Mom's sure not secure in her old age.

I haven't been following the thread closely but isn't this a description of Social Security? We don't own the fruit of our labors. I'll have to go back now to see what you're not getting because I do in fact speak jive.

wolf · 01-18-2006, 01:14 PM

Logic is a little bird tweeting in a meadow. Even I know you're not as stupid as you are currently pretending to be.

Happy Monkey · 01-18-2006, 01:32 PM

wolf - the statements each, taken out of context, are true because they make different assumptions. They just don't work together. In the context of the first statement, the second one should be

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Living offspring were the individual "retirement plan" of the era.

since he is explicitly not positing "social security."

mrnoodle · 01-18-2006, 02:05 PM

I think that when the argument has reached this level of inanity it's safe to assume we've worn it out.

Trilby · 01-18-2006, 02:31 PM

What? did somebody say 'Nazi' yet?

capnhowdy · 01-18-2006, 05:29 PM

Nazi yet

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-19-2006, 12:08 PM

Nazi yet again?

Moved and seconded.

01-18-2006, 11:22 AM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Both of his above statements are accurate. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-18-2006, 01:14 PM	#7
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Logic is a little bird tweeting in a meadow. Even I know you're not as stupid as you are currently pretending to be. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-18-2006, 02:05 PM	#9
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	I think that when the argument has reached this level of inanity it's safe to assume we've worn it out. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

01-18-2006, 02:31 PM	#10
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	What? did somebody say 'Nazi' yet? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-18-2006, 05:29 PM	#11
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Nazi yet __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

01-19-2006, 12:08 PM	#12
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Nazi yet again? Moved and seconded. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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