Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf - Page 8

Kitsune · 03-23-2005, 02:30 PM

but I'm no longer certain that there is a "right" answer in the Terri Schiavo case.

There is, and its this simple:

Terri is married to Michael Shiavo.
Terri has been braindead for fifteen years and is unable to live unassisted.
Michael, being legal next-of-kin, is having her life support removed.
End of story.

There are no legal questions in this what-so-ever. As to why this has ended up in court repeatedly and is currently in federal hands at the consideration of the f'ing president of the United States, I have no idea. The media and other groups have done a very nice job of twisting this case into "her rights are being denied" when the only right clearly being blocked in this case is her husband's in what he has intended to do what is legally right for years: let her pass away as she wanted.

It doesn't matter what the parents say.
It doesn't matter that the method she passes away with is starvation.
It doesn't matter that some people who have little understanding of Terri's condition think she might miraculously recover or that she might somehow be concious.

Just as there shouldn't be any question in her condition, there is no question of what is "right" in this case.

The president of the United States and Congress should, by all means, be facing a lawsuit for their involvement and their attempts to remove the rights of a married couple.

Happy Monkey · 03-23-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

I don't think it's fair to throw this back in Bush's face, though. What appears to be hypocrisy might be a change of heart.

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To demonize Bush for being pro-life while simultaneously demonizing him for being the opposite is disingenuous.

Criticising someone for hypocracy is disingenuous?

Trilby · 03-23-2005, 02:05 PM

The law is more clear on dogs than it is on people.

Happy Monkey · 03-23-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

The law is more clear on dogs than it is on people.

Like I said, dog comparisons are meaningless, but I've seen the comparison made in several places, including on the "news", so I felt it ought to be addressed.

Trilby · 03-23-2005, 02:18 PM

No one should have to suffer what Terri is suffering. leave her alone and let her be. Those who would "save" her have no idea of her day-to-day life. They should be sentanced to live a day of her life. Things would then change.

Undertoad · 03-23-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

No one should have to suffer what Terri is suffering. leave her alone and let her be. Those who would "save" her have no idea of her day-to-day life. They should be sentanced to live a day of her life.

I tried it last night... slept 8 hours, didn't recall any dreams. That's a third of her day right there.

mrnoodle · 03-23-2005, 02:51 PM

lol I know. But this is a pretty unique situation, and whatever you think about Bush, he's been nothing but forthcoming about his views and beliefs. That's one reason why people hate him so much.

I loathed everything about Bill Clinton and his posse of ass-lickers, but even I had to admit that there were times that he appeared genuinely moved by certain things (9/11 for one), and I didn't try to find a way to make him the root of all evil.

Look, it's only 3 1/2 more years, just get over it.

Happy Monkey · 03-23-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

lol I know. But this is a pretty unique situation, and whatever you think about Bush, he's been nothing but forthcoming about his views and beliefs. That's one reason why people hate him so much.

The only unique thing about this situation is that Bush's brother stuck himself into the process, and invited the rest of the Republicans in.

lizthefiz · 03-23-2005, 02:52 PM

I would still feel more comfortable if a blood relation made the decision. Not a perfect world or answer - just my opinion.

Kitsune · 03-23-2005, 02:54 PM

I would still feel more comfortable if a blood relation made the decision.

What if her parents wanted to pull the tube? Would you still think that? What if the situation were reversed?

mrnoodle · 03-23-2005, 03:22 PM

That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement.

And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that.

Troubleshooter · 03-23-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement.

And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that.

A friend of mine posted this elsewhere.

Not right v left?

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How Did Local Lawmakers Vote In Schiavo Case?
Survey: Agree With House Decision?
Discuss: Locals Share Their Views

Below is the the 203-58 roll call Monday by which the House passed a bill to give Terri Schiavo's parents the right to file suit in federal court over the withdrawal of food and medical treatment needed to sustain her life.

A "yes" vote is a vote to pass the bill.

Voting yes were 47 Democrats, 156 Republicans and no Independents.

Voting no were 53 Democrats, 5 Republicans and no Independents.

Happy Monkey · 03-23-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement.

He made a new life for himself years after the incident. He became estranged from the parents in response to the lawsuits. Desperate people take meritless cases to state supreme courts all the time. None of that is unusual. This case became a circus when Jeb Bush attempted to use his political power to force the courts to rule a certain way, and Delay hopped on board because his name was in the news for the wrong reasons.

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And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that.

Among the rank and file, there is a general consensus in favor of Michael Schiavo. Among the politicians, it is hugely lopsided in a partisan way. The only thing that brought the case to national attention is the partisan aspect.

lizthefiz · 03-23-2005, 03:22 PM

If her parents made the decision Michael Schiavo made I would be OK with it.

mrnoodle · 03-23-2005, 03:43 PM

You're high. This has been a national story for 15 years. I defer to your statistics as far as partisanship goes, though. Although, when was the last time 47 Democrats sided with Bush on anything? That's practically a mandate.

Oh yeah, they agreed on going to war *duck*

03-23-2005, 02:30 PM	#1
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	but I'm no longer certain that there is a "right" answer in the Terri Schiavo case. There is, and its this simple: Terri is married to Michael Shiavo. Terri has been braindead for fifteen years and is unable to live unassisted. Michael, being legal next-of-kin, is having her life support removed. End of story. There are no legal questions in this what-so-ever. As to why this has ended up in court repeatedly and is currently in federal hands at the consideration of the f'ing president of the United States, I have no idea. The media and other groups have done a very nice job of twisting this case into "her rights are being denied" when the only right clearly being blocked in this case is her husband's in what he has intended to do what is legally right for years: let her pass away as she wanted. It doesn't matter what the parents say. It doesn't matter that the method she passes away with is starvation. It doesn't matter that some people who have little understanding of Terri's condition think she might miraculously recover or that she might somehow be concious. Just as there shouldn't be any question in her condition, there is no question of what is "right" in this case. The president of the United States and Congress should, by all means, be facing a lawsuit for their involvement and their attempts to remove the rights of a married couple. Last edited by Kitsune; 03-23-2005 at 02:37 PM. Reason: I am a grammatical retard

03-23-2005, 02:05 PM	#3
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	The law is more clear on dogs than it is on people. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-23-2005, 02:18 PM	#5
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	No one should have to suffer what Terri is suffering. leave her alone and let her be. Those who would "save" her have no idea of her day-to-day life. They should be sentanced to live a day of her life. Things would then change. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-23-2005, 02:51 PM	#7
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	lol I know. But this is a pretty unique situation, and whatever you think about Bush, he's been nothing but forthcoming about his views and beliefs. That's one reason why people hate him so much. I loathed everything about Bill Clinton and his posse of ass-lickers, but even I had to admit that there were times that he appeared genuinely moved by certain things (9/11 for one), and I didn't try to find a way to make him the root of all evil. Look, it's only 3 1/2 more years, just get over it. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-23-2005, 03:22 PM	#11
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	That and the patient's husband decided to go off and make a new life for himself without yielding any rights as next-of-kin. Oh, and he's estranged from the parents. And the Fla. Supreme Court was involved long before JB - there were something like 7 petitions before his involvement. And there are Republicans who are against reinserting the tube, and Democrats who are for it. Once again, get over the right vs. left thing. This is beyond that. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

03-23-2005, 02:52 PM	#9
lizthefiz Resident-in-Training Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7	I would still feel more comfortable if a blood relation made the decision. Not a perfect world or answer - just my opinion.

03-23-2005, 02:54 PM	#10
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	I would still feel more comfortable if a blood relation made the decision. What if her parents wanted to pull the tube? Would you still think that? What if the situation were reversed?

03-23-2005, 03:43 PM	#15
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	You're high. This has been a national story for 15 years. I defer to your statistics as far as partisanship goes, though. Although, when was the last time 47 Democrats sided with Bush on anything? That's practically a mandate. Oh yeah, they agreed on going to war duck __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

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