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[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Your evidence? Can you point to any piece of Trump-sponsored or Trump-considered legislation that has moved, or will move, America in the direction of state socialism or state communism?

Just one.

I can. Red flag laws. but I think he's just messin' with the dems on that one.

He did sign the bump stock ban...

[henry quirk]

HA!

Actually, as an accessory (not a firearm) I don't have a problem with that ban. It was feel-good move that amounted to nuthin'.

[Clodfobble]

But doesn't that amount to restricting your liberty? Nevermind the Second Amendment, it's a thing you (conceivably) want to buy with your own money and you can't.

[xoxoxoBruce]

It was feel-good move that amounted to nuthin'.

If a Democrat had signed that, the wailing in the wilderness about it being the first step to total confiscation, would be deafening.

[henry quirk]

"If a Democrat had signed that, the wailing in the wilderness about it being the first step to total confiscation, would be deafening."

Probablly (but not from me).

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If a Democrat had signed that, the wailing in the wilderness about it being the first step to total confiscation, would be deafening.

You seem somehow -- damned if I can figure out how anyone could -- to have missed that bump-stocks really had no friends anyway after Vegas.

As a human-rights organization, the NRA shows a lot of canniness along with its power. We clearly plan to outlast any madness of crowds that might ever militate against human rights and political liberties. Yeah, I'm a Life Member. And you? I'm also fond of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. They make some irrefutable arguments than anyone with an interest should read.

A human right, say, not to endure a genocide is of great moment, saith the JPFO. It's also more readily construable from the text of the Fourth Amendment than even the right to, er, privacy -- and what a can of worms Google has made of that.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

You seem somehow -- damned if I can figure out how anyone could -- to have missed that bump-stocks really had no friends anyway after Vegas.

As a human-rights organization, the NRA shows a lot of canniness along with its power. We clearly plan to outlast any madness of crowds that might ever militate against human rights and political liberties. Yeah, I'm a Life Member. And you? I'm also fond of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. They make some irrefutable arguments than anyone with an interest should read.

A human right, say, not to endure a genocide is of great moment, saith the JPFO. It's also more readily construable from the text of the Fourth Amendment than even the right to, er, privacy -- and what a can of worms Google has made of that.

I'm not a life member of anything, I want the option of quitting if I don't like what they are doing.
There is no argument which is irrefutable, only shit you agree with. Why should I care what the Jews do is their country, they are an ally, not a friend.

[henry quirk]

Don't we all.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'm not a life member of anything, I want the option of quitting if I don't like what they are doing.
There is no argument which is irrefutable, only shit you agree with. Why should I care what the Jews do is their country, they are an ally, not a friend.

Bruce, you were living, breathing, and on occasion reading when Orwell's 1984 was in print -- correct? You didn't just come out of the cabbage leaf in 1997? Ignorance, dear condescendable boy, Is not Strength. You are instead much weakened by it, and your incorrect understanding of an NRA life membership -- well, it's anti-intelligent to get it that wrong no matter what your religion or religion-substitute -- ersatz is bad, very bad -- would have you believe -- unimpressive. Dear ignorant Bruce, do you think I *don't* have the option of quitting? -- I do. A Life Membership means I'm all paid up, get a monthly magazine, and can vote in NRA elections. They offer this franchise to members with this much skin in the game.

I don't get my attitudes from the NRA human-rights lobby -- I joined the NRA because of them.

Your understanding of the JPFO is just as defective: they're not some other country, they're Americans. Blessed with a very readable website in jpfo.org. They disapprove of genocides -- in a way that counts to prevent them. You do not. Shame on you. Really, this is the dumbest post you've ever written.

[henry quirk]

"But doesn't that amount to restricting your liberty?"

Not really. Right now, in Church Point, LA, I know of at least five prople who'd sell me a bump stock. Prohibitions and bans (here in America, anyway) tend to create black and gray markets.

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"Nevermind the Second Amendment"

Yeah, as I've said before: I don't give a flip about the second.

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"it's a thing you (conceivably) want to buy with your own money and you can't."

As I say: I know folks.

[Clodfobble]

But if black markets solve everything, why do you need someone to "wreck shit" in the first place? Seems like a wasted effort, if such shit doesn't affect you in any way.

[henry quirk]

"But if black markets solve everything"

I didn't say that.

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"why do you need someone to "wreck shit" in the first place? Seems like a wasted effort, if such shit doesn't affect you in any way."

Cuz I shouldn't have to live or transact in the shadows. I will, but I shouldn't have to.

I believe, again, I own myself and have a right to my life, liberty, and property, and, my life, liberty, and property are only forfeit, in part or whole, if I knowingly, willingly, deprive another of his life, liberty, or property. If I'm told 'no, you can't have X' (and I've done nuthin' to warrant such prohibition) my inclination is to go and find X. I'd rather not have to pay double and deal with the disreputable, but I will cuz I decide what's appropriate for me. And, while I do what I do, I hire folks on the local, state, and federal levels to be spikes in the trees, to wreck shit (lookin' toward the long term...dismantling a leviathan is not an over-night job).

[Clodfobble]

Sure, man, I get it. I understand your belief system. What I'm saying is that your guy, Trump, has--at least on this one issue--moved categorically against what you believe in. You said there were no examples, and there is one, right here. Could there maybe be others?

[henry quirk]

"What I'm saying is that your guy, Trump, has--at least on this one issue--moved categorically against what you believe in."

More than one issue: he signed that damned omnibus bill.

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"You said there were no examples"

No, I did not.

This...

Can you point to any piece of Trump-sponsored or Trump-considered legislation that has moved, or will move, America in the direction of state socialism or state communism?

Just one.

I can. Red flag laws. but I think he's just messin' with the dems on that one.

...is what I said.

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"Could there maybe be others?"

I have no doubt there will be.

Where did I say Trump was/is the perfect blunt instrument? He's not. As long as he keeps doin' what's he's doin' (pissin' in Bruce's and tw's cornflakes) I can live with his not bein' perfectly aligned with me.

Now: if he sides with gun banners (let's go get them debbil guns!), that's a no-brainer for me, but a pissy little accessory? Gimme a break.

Do you, when you vote, ever find a perfect candidate who aligns with you square on everything?

Say 'yes' and I know you're a liar.

[fargon]