WWJK: Who would Jesus Kill - Military supplier adds bible references to rifle sights - Page 8

classicman · 01-22-2010, 05:22 PM

I think a big deal is being made of it. This isn't something new, its been like this for many years.

I'm more interested in other issues - this doesn't even make it onto the list of real concerns I have.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2010, 05:28 PM

You need to realize that this isn't about what any American thinks. It is about what Muslims in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan think. Every since the "war on terror" began, the United States has worked to differentiate it from a "war against Islam" for very obvious reason.

Who cares if someone gets offended? What if that offended person decides that they will join a terrorist group to defend their religion? What if that offended person will refuse to help US forces because they feel the US is attacking their religion?

Once again, this is about image. In Afghanistan, we are working extremely hard to establish and maintain good relations with the local population, but if they feel that our presence there is religious based, all of that will be ruined. The passages were taken off were a reason. And that reason is that those hurt US forces establish and maintain strategic relations with the Islamic population.

lookout123 · 01-22-2010, 05:33 PM

They should be more concerned about why the crosshairs are on them rather than what is etched into the scope.

TheMercenary · 01-28-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

They should be more concerned about why the crosshairs are on them rather than what is etched into the scope.

Damm right.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-22-2010, 06:14 PM

The entire Islamic population? The entire point of taking off the passages off is to tell the majority of the Islamic population that the cross hairs aren't on them.

The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did.

01-22-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The entire Islamic population? The entire point of taking off the passages off is to tell the majority of the Islamic population that the cross hairs aren't on them.

The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did.

Petraeus got it.

The Cellar generals still dont get it.

classicman · 01-24-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did.

I agree.

01-24-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

I agree.

It is not just about covering their asses.

It is also a recognition of perceptions...and as was also noted by piercehawkeye...about how it might be perceived by Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan...and understanding the need to be a bit sensitive to those perceptions.

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I'm sure that not every single person who is upset by this issue wears panties. But they should.

Trying to picture General Petraeus in panties.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-24-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux

It is not just about covering their asses.

It is also a recognition of perceptions...and as was also noted by piercehawkeye...about how it might be perceived by Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan...and understanding the need to be a bit sensitive to those perceptions.

Speaking of perceptions, Mike Yon mentioned in Iraq the locals thought we would never leave because some outfits built, or moved into existing, buildings.
In Afghanistan, the locals feel we're not going to stay, and protect them from the Taliban, because we're living in tents and not building structures.
The local commanders have to be aware of these perceptions, they can win or lose the war.

Undertoad · 01-22-2010, 09:31 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jesus-...ory?id=9618791

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Trijicon, the gunsight maker that has imprinted Bible verse numbers on its scopes, has announced that it will no longer imprint the verses on the sides of scopes intended for the U.S. military, and will also provide clients with the kits to remove the Bible verse numbers from existing scopes.

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-23-2010, 12:11 AM

Could be -- I just wanted to say it too. "In my own inimitable... idiom."

classicman · 01-24-2010, 08:37 PM

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What were once unacknowledged, relatively infrequent targeted killings of suspected militants or terrorists in the Bush years have become commonplace under the Obama administration. And since a devastating December 30th suicide attack by a Jordanian double agent on a CIA forward operating base in Afghanistan, unmanned aerial drones have been hunting humans in the Af-Pak war zone at a record pace. In Pakistan, an “unprecedented number” of strikes -- which have killed armed guerrillas and civilians alike -- have led to more fear, anger, and outrage in the tribal areas, as the CIA, with help from the U.S. Air Force, wages the most public “secret” war of modern times.

I wonder what is written on these bombs?

classicman · 01-25-2010, 09:37 PM

Perhaps something like these. . .

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-27-2010, 07:45 PM

"Hi There!" is always good.

DanaC · 01-28-2010, 09:54 AM

Define 'they'.

01-22-2010, 05:22 PM	#1
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think a big deal is being made of it. This isn't something new, its been like this for many years. I'm more interested in other issues - this doesn't even make it onto the list of real concerns I have. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-22-2010, 05:28 PM	#2
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	You need to realize that this isn't about what any American thinks. It is about what Muslims in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan think. Every since the "war on terror" began, the United States has worked to differentiate it from a "war against Islam" for very obvious reason. Who cares if someone gets offended? What if that offended person decides that they will join a terrorist group to defend their religion? What if that offended person will refuse to help US forces because they feel the US is attacking their religion? Once again, this is about image. In Afghanistan, we are working extremely hard to establish and maintain good relations with the local population, but if they feel that our presence there is religious based, all of that will be ruined. The passages were taken off were a reason. And that reason is that those hurt US forces establish and maintain strategic relations with the Islamic population. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

01-22-2010, 05:33 PM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	They should be more concerned about why the crosshairs are on them rather than what is etched into the scope. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-22-2010, 06:14 PM	#5
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The entire Islamic population? The entire point of taking off the passages off is to tell the majority of the Islamic population that the cross hairs aren't on them. The actual passages is a non-issue. But since the story blew up, the US military need to cover their asses. That's what they did. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

01-23-2010, 12:11 AM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Could be -- I just wanted to say it too. "In my own inimitable... idiom." __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-25-2010, 09:37 PM	#13
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Perhaps something like *these*. . . __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-27-2010, 07:45 PM	#14
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	"Hi There!" is always good. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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