Transgender Second Grader - Page 8

monster · 02-21-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

We have one bathroom at home. What sex is it I wonder?

Does the seat stay up?

Clodfobble · 02-21-2008, 06:34 PM

I have no idea what the bathrooms at this school are like, other than the article indicates that there are separate boys' and girls' bathrooms that are in general use by his class, and a few unisex* bathrooms do exist in another part of the school--presumably farther away--and the child in question will specifically go to use those whenever he needs to go.

In the two elementary schools I attended, as well as two others I have been inside as an adult, classrooms are connected in pairs (usually both the same grade) by a short hallway between them, which is not the main hallway of the school. Within this connecting hallway are two doors leading to bathrooms, one for the girls and one for the boys. I've also seen private places like preschools and daycares use this floorplan. Maybe that's just standard building procedure in Texas, I don't know. By the time you get to junior high, the bathrooms are higher-capacity and accessible from the main hallway, like in any public place.

*As for the definition of unisex, well, it is what it is. The Latin roots may not make the most sense, but very little in English makes sense anyway...

spudcon · 02-22-2008, 01:15 PM

I can solve this confusion about male-female identity. If the kid has a penis, he goes to the boys room. If not, the girls room.

Flint · 02-22-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

I can solve this confusion about male-female identity. If the kid has a penis, he goes to the boys room. If not, the girls room.

This sounds simple enough. But, what about when a baby is born with inditinct genetalia, and the doctors make a cosmetic alteration to assign a gender? And what if they assign the wrong gender? This goes to the heart of the "there is no medical reason that he should be considered a girl" argument. What if he really is a girl, that has been arbitrarily assigned the male gender?

This happens to a large number of people, and the subject is so socially awkward that nobody even knows that it exists. That same social awkwardness is the reason that the parents/doctors decide to assign a gender to an infant who can't possibly consent to such a procedure.

We assume that gender is a either/or attribute, but it isn't. And we don't know how to react when the lines are blurred.
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Thread drift: Another possible outcome of the confusing-gender baby scenario is that the doctors chop off part of the clitoris, to make it look "normal" - and the child grows up to be a female that has no capacity to enjoy a normal sexual exprience. Essentially, this is a form of genital mutilation that people believe happens only in "other" places.

monster · 02-22-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

I can solve this confusion about male-female identity. If the kid has a penis, he goes to the boys room. If not, the girls room.

And are you proposing to demand they prove it before entering?

In an extreme case, such a stance could lead to a little boy mutilating his own genitalia to become the girl he feels he should be. Would you then just chalk him up as a sicko the world is better off without?

The school's actions cause no harm to anyone. If they demanded that he behave like a boy, it could.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-23-2008, 12:53 AM

Wearing a pair of pants and peeing in the boys room is not demanding he act like a boy. He can play with dolls, hand with the girls, read girls books and swap beauty tips for all anybody cares.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 01:40 PM

Did that happen to you, Flint?

I'm so sorry.

Flint · 02-22-2008, 01:42 PM

No, I read about it a long time ago in an article in the New Yorker, so I don't have an internet source to site conveniently.

This was mentioned on the first page of this thread, and I'm the only one who responded to it. After that, the person who posted it went psycho.

lookout123 · 02-22-2008, 01:44 PM

sexual enjoyment would only get her into trouble anyway. can't trust her with that kind of temptation.

Trilby · 02-22-2008, 01:44 PM

Bad day?

lookout123 · 02-22-2008, 01:53 PM

nah, just sarcasm. had a knuckledragger in the lunchroom guffawing about how the study concluding some women don't have a g spot. of course, he'd find it and if he couldn't find it they were obviously rug munchers. that of course led into his bitch of an ex wife cheating on him. she wasn't woman enough for him or some such shit. bring on the chastity belts, blahblahblah.

DanaC · 02-23-2008, 08:35 AM

He isn't wanting to 'act like a girl' he feels he is a girl.

lookout123 · 02-23-2008, 01:42 PM

feeling like i'm the king of england doesn't make it so. somehow my dna didn't line up in the right order for that.

monster · 02-23-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

feeling like i'm the king of england doesn't make it so. somehow my dna didn't line up in the right order for that.

And if the kid felt he was the king of England, the school should have no problem treating him as such. Future monarchs are treated just like everyone else in school. Except for the bodyguard thing. Which is not paid for by the school. Presumably it would be the same for reigning achild monarchs these days, although in the old days, child monarch were "home-schooled"

Sheldonrs · 02-23-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

feeling like i'm the king of england doesn't make it so. somehow my dna didn't line up in the right order for that.

This is true. However, a transgender person actually IS the the other sex. They were just born with the wrong body.

02-23-2008, 12:53 AM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Wearing a pair of pants and peeing in the boys room is not demanding he act like a boy. He can play with dolls, hand with the girls, read girls books and swap beauty tips for all anybody cares. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-22-2008, 01:42 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No, I read about it a long time ago in an article in the New Yorker, so I don't have an internet source to site conveniently. This was mentioned on the first page of this thread, and I'm the only one who responded to it. After that, the person who posted it went psycho. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-22-2008, 01:44 PM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	sexual enjoyment would only get her into trouble anyway. can't trust her with that kind of temptation. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-22-2008, 01:53 PM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	nah, just sarcasm. had a knuckledragger in the lunchroom guffawing about how the study concluding some women don't have a g spot. of course, he'd find it and if he couldn't find it they were obviously rug munchers. that of course led into his bitch of an ex wife cheating on him. she wasn't woman enough for him or some such shit. bring on the chastity belts, blahblahblah. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-23-2008, 01:42 PM	#13
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	feeling like i'm the king of england doesn't make it so. somehow my dna didn't line up in the right order for that. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

02-21-2008, 06:34 PM	#2
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I have no idea what the bathrooms at this school are like, other than the article indicates that there are separate boys' and girls' bathrooms that are in general use by his class, and a few unisex* bathrooms do exist in another part of the school--presumably farther away--and the child in question will specifically go to use those whenever he needs to go. In the two elementary schools I attended, as well as two others I have been inside as an adult, classrooms are connected in pairs (usually both the same grade) by a short hallway between them, which is not the main hallway of the school. Within this connecting hallway are two doors leading to bathrooms, one for the girls and one for the boys. I've also seen private places like preschools and daycares use this floorplan. Maybe that's just standard building procedure in Texas, I don't know. By the time you get to junior high, the bathrooms are higher-capacity and accessible from the main hallway, like in any public place. *As for the definition of unisex, well, it is what it is. The Latin roots may not make the most sense, but very little in English makes sense anyway...

02-22-2008, 01:15 PM	#3
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	I can solve this confusion about male-female identity. If the kid has a penis, he goes to the boys room. If not, the girls room.

02-22-2008, 01:40 PM	#7
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Did that happen to you, Flint? I'm so sorry.

02-23-2008, 08:35 AM	#12
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	He isn't wanting to 'act like a girl' he feels he is a girl.

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