Global Warmists back off on prediction - Page 8

Griff · 05-31-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HLJ

The National Renewable Energy Lab (NREL) is working on a project to produce hydrogen using a wind turbine.

I like this a lot. I've heard a few (sometimes goofy) ideas to balance output with loads but this looks quite sensible. There are folks who oppose wind power because of the bird blender effect, but over-all it is a much better pro-environment power source than just about anything I've seen. You could also harness this to existing dams...

Flint · 05-31-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

...There are folks who oppose wind power because of the bird blender effect...

You cannot support Wind Power without consciously accepting the reality of innocent bird deaths!!! :::head explodes:::

Griff · 05-31-2007, 10:41 AM

I prefer to think of bird blenders as a potential cheap source of protein.

HungLikeJesus · 05-31-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

You cannot support Wind Power without consciously accepting the reality of innocent bird deaths!!! :::head explodes:::

I am, right now, working on a (top secret) wind farm perimeter security system, which will completely eliminate bird deaths from wind turbines.

It consists of a series of high-powered lasers that will detect and instantly fry any bird that tries to enter the wind farm's air space.

Now I just need a clever name, like Clear Skies Initiative.

glatt · 05-31-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

There are folks who oppose wind power because of the bird blender effect...

I think most people who oppose wind power just don't want the ugly windmills in their back yard. They use the birds as a "reason," but really it's simple NIMBYism. Can't say I blame them. I wouldn't want them in my view either if they can go somewhere else instead.

Griff · 05-31-2007, 12:21 PM

I'd say that you're right on the NIMBY deal. I think windmills are beautiful in form and function, powerlines are another story though.

Flint · 05-31-2007, 10:42 AM

Ahhh...synergy! We collect the "processed" birds for use as cat food!

Happy Monkey · 05-31-2007, 01:52 PM

A good site I just ran across. It is squarely against global warming skeptics, but each question and answer page allows comments, so the skeptics can try to pick holes in the argument.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-31-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

A good site I just ran across. It is squarely against global warming skeptics, but each question and answer page allows comments, so the skeptics can try to pick holes in the argument.

What is a Global Warming Skeptic? Anyone that doesn't buy Gore's Dog & Pony show?
I don't think the arguments on that page are particularly strong. There's a lot of vague references and generalizations although it might work on Grandma if she trusted the person telling her. Anyone with real skepticism would need much more than I see there.

I was looking at some Ariel photos of Europe and noticed this caption under a picture of an Airbus field in France.

HungLikeJesus · 05-31-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What is a Global Warming Skeptic? Anyone that doesn't buy Gore's Dog & Pony show?
I don't think the arguments on that page are particularly strong. There's a lot of vague references and generalizations although it might work on Grandma if she trusted the person telling her. Anyone with real skepticism would need much more than I see there.

I was looking at some Ariel photos of Europe and noticed this caption under a picture of an Airbus field in France.

Ariel? Is that the part around the nipple?

xoxoxoBruce · 05-31-2007, 08:14 PM

Spelling Nazi.

Aliantha · 05-31-2007, 10:17 PM

The other problems with wind farms (over here) is the high price landowners are paid for the lease on their land. This causes reverse NIMBYism problems.

You really just can't win when you're trying to save the world.

tw, you're trying to make it seem like I've said something I didn't. you just go your own way with your rant matey.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-31-2007, 10:23 PM

Not what you said, what you didn't say.

tw · 06-02-2007, 02:52 PM

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tw, you're trying to make it seem like I've said something I didn't.

I you cannot correct how your post is interpreted, then I have clearly interpreted what you have posted correctly. Meanwhile, the numbers do not lie. Aliantha does not dispute the numbers.

Hydrogen is not a fuel. Those claiming otherwise - and that would include Aliantha because she does not dispute it - have no idea why hydrogen as a fuel is a promotion by the naive - such as George Jr and Rick Wagoner of GM - to the naive.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2007, 02:14 PM

Wind Farms and Birds:

http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/03/...ered-wildlife/

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...more_letha.php

05-31-2007, 10:41 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I prefer to think of bird blenders as a potential cheap source of protein. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

05-31-2007, 12:21 PM	#6
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I'd say that you're right on the NIMBY deal. I think windmills are beautiful in form and function, powerlines are another story though. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

05-31-2007, 10:42 AM	#7
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Ahhh...synergy! We collect the "processed" birds for use as cat food! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-31-2007, 01:52 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	A good site I just ran across. It is squarely against global warming skeptics, but each question and answer page allows comments, so the skeptics can try to pick holes in the argument. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The other problems with wind farms (over here) is the high price landowners are paid for the lease on their land. This causes reverse NIMBYism problems. You really just can't win when you're trying to save the world. tw, you're trying to make it seem like I've said something I didn't. you just go your own way with your rant matey. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-31-2007, 10:23 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not what you said, what you didn't say. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Wind Farms and Birds: http://www.celsias.com/blog/2007/03/...ered-wildlife/ http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007...more_letha.php __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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