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It shouldn't be necessary to have someone there to uphold the law. The signs should be enough. We all buy into a system where personal inconvenience (ie no dropping the wife & kids outside M&S) is sacrificed for general good. But this video proves signs are NOT enough. Unless the signs say "Go any further and the bollards will F**K your car" Why burden the taxpayer with the extra cost of manning an area which is out of bounds?
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10-25-2006, 03:04 PM
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Perhaps a better solution would be a red light camera that mails a ticket to the owner of the car. |
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11-02-2006, 08:09 AM
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Which part of this do you not understand?
" It is better to risk a certain amount of violation by "tailgating" vehicles, rather than put road users at risk."
The only question is whether or not you disagree with the clearly stated intent of the government regulations.
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11-03-2006, 09:00 AM
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this is pretty clear:
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10-25-2006, 03:14 PM
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Do you now wish to retract this reference?
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10-25-2006, 02:31 PM
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I think this line's mostly filler.
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Bollards? Hee hee! Now I get why Rumpole called Soapy Sam "Bollard"; he was calling him a roadblock!
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10-25-2006, 02:55 PM
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This was such a silly debate I've been flubbing around these non-issue tangents to kill time at work.
Ultimately, the government website agreed with me, so the issue is closed now. I was right all along.
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10-25-2006, 03:12 PM
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Glatt, much as I respect you, you're taking the situation to an illogical conclusion.
The drivers in the video (which let's face it, have been posted because they are the most extreme) have intentionally tailgated vehicles allowed to enter a restricted zone, disregarding all signage. In every case the drivers and their passengers have evidentially been capable of leaving the area afterwards. This is nothing like entering an Army Firing Range (we do have those in this country, esp in the South West) and being blown up because you're bad at map-reading. I don't believe these devices were installed to damage vehicales or injure drivers. I admit I wouldn't be worried if they were, but that's personal opinion not the law of the land. The bottom line IMO is if these drivers had NOT increased their speed and had NOT reduced the amount of space between them and the previous (authorised) vehicle, then they would NOT have had this problem. Edited to add [Flint] - it is unlikely the bollards were deliberately set to catch tailgaters. I assumed they were because that's my (wrong) preference. But given the guidelines, I can only assume the installation didn't take into account just how close motorists were willing to drive behind a large vehicle that can stop abruptly (a bus in other words)
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10-25-2006, 03:21 PM
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10-25-2006, 03:30 PM
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 Traffic signs seem to be enough for the vast majority of other situations. At red lights, they don't have large catapults to throw you across town if you don't stop on red. If you exceed the speed limit, they don't have oil nozzles by the side of the road squirt oil all over the highway to make you spin out of control and crash. If you fail to use your turn signal when changing lanes, snipers don't shoot you from behind the bushes. Why is this area defended by these bollards like this? What makes these particular traffic laws so important that people are being injured and cars are being damaged to protect the zone? You saw the guy in the SUV. He was in serious pain. He kept holding his head. We don't know if he went to the hospital later, but he might have. These bollards are dangerous. They are installed in violation of several of the government guidelines. There has to be a better way. |
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10-25-2006, 03:35 PM
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Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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 Also, I reiterate my snip from the government website: Positioning Rising bollards should not normally be sited close to or at signalled junctions or pedestrian crossings.
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10-27-2006, 07:10 PM
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Argue with the government regulations, if you disagree with them.
It would be extreme overkill for me to post them again, see post #100.
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10-28-2006, 08:53 PM
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They don't rise beneath the vehicle, they stop when the vehicle starts to pass over them. the car goes up when it hits them for the same reason it goes up when you hit a curb....the shape of the vehicle and the path of least resistance until the forward motion is dissipated. Your insistence that they are violating the law is based on your ignorance of what is actually going on.
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10-28-2006, 11:19 PM
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To shreds, you say?
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Those bollards are child's play compared to what my dad seriously wanted to institute on the NY subway. It really got his knickers in a twist when people wold rush for a train, be a few seconds late, and stick their fingery appendages in the door and then attempt to pry the door open. This sets a chain of events in motion, the upshot being that the train and everyone aboard, who managed to get into the car in a timely fashion, are delayed.
His solution was to do away with the rubber bumperson the doors and replace them with finely honed razors. A few fingers later, folks would stop trying to pry the doors open. He was pretty hardcore when it came to people being selfish and rude.
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