Difficult Civil Rights Question

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Republican Party? You wish, Spexx. And wishes like that you don't get. Which prospect makes me feel like ing.

[MaggieL]

I suppose we can anticipate the "but some beliefs are reprehensible and incompatible with being a cop" response now.

[Stormieweather]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

I suppose we can anticipate the "but some beliefs are reprehensible and incompatible with being a cop" response now.

Well they are (in my personal opinion) :p , but that's irrelevant. I firmly believe that racists can't help but behave in discriminatory ways. My hope is that this man fucks up quickly and is fired for discrimination.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

My hope is that this man fucks up quickly and is fired for discrimination.

After all this brouhaha, I bet the only discrimination you have to worry about from this guy is reverse discrimination. He's going to be under a ultramicroscope.

I don't disagree that true racism (as opposed to the bloody shirt that liberals invoke at the drop of a hat) is reprehensible. But that's not the point of this case.

Originally Posted by MaggieL

After all this brouhaha, I bet the only discrimination you have to worry about from this guy is reverse discrimination. He's going to be under a ultramicroscope.

I don't disagree that true racism (as opposed to the bloody shirt that liberals invoke at the drop of a hat) is reprehensible. But that's not the point of this case.

You obviously know little of the Klan.

Again, they take an oath, the white race comes before all others in all things. That action alone says to me that his loyalty is in the wrong place.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again, they take an oath, the white race comes before all others in all things. That action alone says to me that his loyalty is in the wrong place.

I'd say after all the attention he's gotten, if he visibly discriminates against somebody, his ass is gone..

I won't try to contradict your claimed authority on Klan internals, but this guy is under such incredible scrutiny that his loyalty is a non-issue; one step out of line and he's history. Happens I've had privileged access to state police disciplinary records (in another state), so that's a process *I* know something about.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again, they take an oath, the white race comes before all others in all things.

Generally, you believe that before you take the oath, otherwise you wouldn't have shown up. I have less concern of someone who is publically affiliated, although he is going to do a great job of drawing the focus away from the rest of the Nebraska State Police Troopers, that's for sure.

[Trilby]

The thing is...we all have prejudicial thoughts. If you say you don't I simultaneously salute and disbelieve you.

I cannot help being who I am--and that is the product of my experiences (to a large part)--to continually whip me with a red cord and then ask me to worship and believe the red cord a benevolent god is probably not going to happen. At least not with ME. Statistically other people will fall to the belief and start kissing red cord ass for all it's worth.

[Aliantha]

I understand a lot more about cops than you give me credit for wolf, but that's ok. You don't know me. Just try not to assume that's all.

[glatt]

I've always considered it easy to fire an employee who isn't performing as expected, but I forget that with cops and some other jobs, there are unions involved.

From today's washington post, we hear that the Metro train operator who fell asleep in 2004 and crashed his train into another one, injuring 20 people and causing $3.5 million in damage, was improperly fired. He is being rehired and given two years of back-pay.

Nobody is contesting the fact that he crashed the train, and was almost certainly asleep at the wheel. The reason he was fired improperly is that there's a certain schedule to follow when firing someone, and Metro messed up the sequence of dates for firing this guy.

At least they won't let him drive a train again. He'll be paid to stand around on the platform with a clipboard.

[Trilby]

[quote=glatt]... we hear that the Metro train operator who fell asleep in 2004 and crashed his train into another one, injuring 20 people and causing $3.5 million in damage, was improperly fired. He is being rehired and given two years of back-pay.[quote]

Ya gotta love unions.

I've dealt with two unions in my nursing life: an independant that represented steel workers and the IUE (international union of electricians). The IUE was surreal. I hated dealing with them.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Ya gotta love unions.

Unfortunately, unions exist in response to misbehaving employers.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by glatt

The reason he was fired improperly is that there's a certain schedule to follow when firing someone, and Metro messed up the sequence of dates for firing this guy.

And that's what happened in the case of the KKKop, too. The Staties claim that the guy was too dangerout to be a cop was completely undercut by the way they failed to meet their own defined schedule for the papwerwork moves necessary.

Perhaps the only thing more dangerous than a trainman asleep at the controls is a bureacrat asleep at the pen.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

...completely undercut by the way they failed to meet their own defined schedule for the papwerwork moves necessary.

We should call this idea by its proper name, due process, if we want support for it. If we want due process everyone else has to receive it as well. In union situations due process is often drawn out too far, but if we have rules we have to play by them. My brother tells a story about having to defend an incompetent teacher. It was fortunately just a ritual since everyone wanted the dope off the payroll. Now we need to start due process for the bureaucratic idiot that opened the door for a sleeping train driver to work for metro again.

Or, fortunately.