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Old 04-15-2011, 03:23 PM   #1
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you may be thinking of HLJ
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Old 04-15-2011, 04:04 PM   #2
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:16 PM   #3
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Of course, on page 2 of that article, it says the jury is still out on whether the shorthand of skipping a multiplication symbol changes its place in the order of operations.
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:20 PM   #4
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Everyone:


Shut Your Gob
and
Do Shut UP.

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Old 04-15-2011, 05:20 PM   #5
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This is pretty much all Flint's fault.

He's crazy.
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In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic.

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Old 04-15-2011, 06:25 PM   #6
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I don't see what the big deal is. Just do it the regular way.
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:47 PM   #7
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you mean, like, in the butt?
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:56 PM   #8
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I would say 288 myself, but in all honesty, I don't give a shit what the answer is.
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Old 04-15-2011, 08:47 PM   #9
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42

Why? Its the answer to life the universe and everything.


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Old 04-15-2011, 10:27 PM   #10
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Thread won.
Totally.
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:57 PM   #11
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42

Why? Its the answer to life the universe and everything.


Thread won.
Having been 42 for almost a year now, I have to say that 41 beats the shit outta 42.
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Old 05-02-2011, 04:44 PM   #12
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Having been 42 for almost a year now, I have to say that 41 beats the shit outta 42.
Wait. You weren't with Baby when you were 41, were you?
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:20 AM   #13
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48÷2(9+3) = ? is a math problem that, depending on the order of operations used, leads to two different answers: 2 and 288. It can be a hot topic for debate, and is sometimes used to troll other users because of the argument that can result afterward.
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Standard Order of Operations
If one strictly uses the standard order of operations to solve mathematical expressions, the answer to the problem would be 288, which is also the same solution provided by WolframAlpha and Google.
By convention, the order of precedence in a mathematical expression is as follows:
Terms inside of Brackets or Parentheses.
Exponents and Roots.
Multiplication and Division.
Addition and Subtraction.
If there are two or more operations with equal precedence (such as 10÷2÷5 or 7÷2*9), those operations should be done from left to right.
Therefore, the problem “48÷2(9+3) =” would be solved like this:
48 ÷ 2 * (9+3)=
48 ÷ 2 * (12)=
48 ÷ 2 * 12=
24 * 12=
288
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However, the answer 2 could be justified by the principle of implied multiplication. For example, consider the problem "2/5x."
If one strictly follows the standard order of operations, the correct interpretation would be “(2/5)*(x).”
But many calculators and textbooks state that a higher value of precedence should be placed on implied multiplication than on explicit multiplication:
Because “5x” is implied to be "5*x," it gets higher priority than "2/5." In this case, "2/5x" would be interpreted as "(2)/(5*x)."
Returning to the original problem, if one utilizes the principles of implied multiplication, then “2(9+3)” gets higher precedence than the explicit “48/2,” and would be solved like this:
48 ÷ 2(9+3)=
48 ÷ 2(12)=
48 ÷ 24=
2
However, there is a lack of consensus on the value of implied multiplication.
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Old 04-19-2011, 01:34 PM   #14
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But many calculators and textbooks state that a higher value of precedence should be placed on implied multiplication than on explicit multiplication
Bullshit. Any cites of these calculators and textbooks? I've never heard this.

The root of all this is ambiguous use of the "/" in a single-line context, where properly-typeset multi-line usage would result in either

Code:
  2  
----
 5x
or

Code:
 2
--- x
 5
Any sensible reinterpretation of one of these into a single line would include appropriate parentheses or other clarification to make it clear how the calculation is carried out. As noted earlier, the entire point of the 48-whatever example is to start an argument.

In fact, I dare say that incorrect interpretation of the fraction bar by bogus separation of terms in numerators and denominators, for example
Code:
 x + 5     x     
------- = ---  +  5
   2       2
is a very common student error, and contributes to the misinterpretation of typographical disasters such as we're discussing.
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:24 AM   #15
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But many calculators and textbooks state that a higher value of precedence should be placed on implied multiplication than on explicit multiplication
Now, see, I would hold that Mathematics can't allow for anything "implied". It's either multiplication, or it isn't.
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